Boxing Thread
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@jk said in Boxing Thread:
Think Fa is definitely a bit over the odds too. Surely if Joe doesn't win he's finished (if he wasn't already)
Got a handful of tickets (think 6 or 8 ) and not too sure if I will even go or not. None of the lads seem too interested either.
really? A night on schooners at the boxing is great fun
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@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
@jk said in Boxing Thread:
Think Fa is definitely a bit over the odds too. Surely if Joe doesn't win he's finished (if he wasn't already)
Got a handful of tickets (think 6 or 8 ) and not too sure if I will even go or not. None of the lads seem too interested either.
really? A night on schooners at the boxing is great fun
Yeah if going will be going for the schooners
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@jk said in Boxing Thread:
@mariner4life said in Boxing Thread:
@jk said in Boxing Thread:
Think Fa is definitely a bit over the odds too. Surely if Joe doesn't win he's finished (if he wasn't already)
Got a handful of tickets (think 6 or 8 ) and not too sure if I will even go or not. None of the lads seem too interested either.
really? A night on schooners at the boxing is great fun
Yeah if going will be going for the schooners
there are better reasons?
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@jk said in Boxing Thread:
None of the lads seem too interested either.
The media noise has been strangely quiet. I assume DUCO are worried about a covid delay? Maybe it picks up later in the week
The only reason I knew this was on this weekend was because I try to follow MMA news/interviews. If Fa wasn't training out of CKB I probably wouldn't have known when it was on
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@duluth said in Boxing Thread:
@jk said in Boxing Thread:
None of the lads seem too interested either.
The media noise has been strangely quiet. I assume DUCO are worried about a covid delay? Maybe it picks up later in the week
The only reason I knew this was on this weekend was because I try to follow MMA news/interviews. If Fa wasn't training out of CKB I probably wouldn't have known when it was on
Yeah I think genuine concerns re Covid as event couldnt go ahead under level 2. They really need to get some hype going now
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@duluth Can't agree there sorry. Fa's been terrible as a pro where he has struggled badly against very low level journeymen. He has a poor gas tank, an average chin (as was shown against 44 year old Dominic Guinn), terrible footwork and doesn't carry a lot of power. If I were Fa and his team, I'd go for broke early as the longer the fight goes on, the weaker he'll get and Parker will get stronger.
Parker by mid rounds stoppage.
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Sure, Parker deserves to be a healthy favourite. But $1.10 v $6.00?
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@african-monkey Has Fa been a fulltime professional or does he combine boxing with working a regular job? Training full time obviously makes a big difference if you have the natural talent/ability but has to be balanced against earning a regular income to feed your family.
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@higgins He's been training full time for a while now at City kickboxing gym.
Fa's spoiling tactic worked an absolute treat tbh. Anytime Parker tried to force the pace, Fa would clinch and got away with a lot of it when the ref should have docked a point for excessive holding. It was a Klitchko type performance where he'd stifle any attempt Parker would make at trying to force the pace and it frustrated Parker a lot.
Parker's lack of a plan b was also annoying against a guy trying to survive out there. His average footwork was found wanting as he didn't look at changing angles or even look at slipping and countering, forcing Fa to throw the first punch. Instead, he did the same thing all fight which was try and get his jab off from front on only for the same thing to happen which was to get tied up and if that didn't work, throw the overhand right which also resulted in him getting tied up a lot and then allowing Fa to get his work done in the clinch. Being at the fight, I couldn't hear the instructions that Kevin Barry was giving but Parker either wasn't listening or Barry was giving poor instructions.
A frustrating night for Parker against an obvious spoiler, but a win none the less and he moves on to bigger fights hopefully.
Great night at the boxing, well worth coming up for it.
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@african-monkey Barry early was pretty much telling Joe to keep going with the bodywork which wasn't really working cos he wasn't getting enough shots in on Fa cos they spent half the time hugging it out.
Mid stages he was telling him that Fa would be hurting from the bodywork and was berating Parker for getting caught when he relaxed coming out of the clinch.
Latter part of the fight no idea, I got bored cos there wasn't much boxing going on.
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@godder Well Fa isn't really gonna be pushing for world titles and as we all know, there are levels in boxing and Parker hasn't shown anything to suggest that he'll be in contention to win another world title. He hasn't improved much since 2016 and is still showing the same problems he has had since his back to back losses in 2018.
Kevin Barry has done a very good job with him, but he does need a change. I'd love to see him team up with Sugar Hill Steward at the Kronk gym.
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@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@godder Well Fa isn't really gonna be pushing for world titles and as we all know, there are levels in boxing and Parker hasn't shown anything to suggest that he'll be in contention to win another world title. He hasn't improved much since 2016 and is still showing the same problems he has had since his back to back losses in 2018.
Kevin Barry has done a very good job with him, but he does need a change. I'd love to see him team up with Sugar Hill Steward at the Kronk gym.
I think they will try and get a few more pay days in ,and milk what they can out of the sport, a chisora , a Usyk , that type of fight ,
But I agree , any more world titles is fantasy talk ,
That over hand right , looks horrible with nothing on it , not sure whats going on there , is that the elbow he had surgery on ?
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@kiwiinmelb Yes it is and yes, it's more the fact that it's so telegraphed and that he doesn't look to set it up so the sting is always taken out of it.
Funnily enough he's not that far away from another shot. He's ranked highly with a few orgs and just has to keep winning. Sadly, if he faces Chisora next, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost that too and Chisora always has and always will be nothing more than a gatekeeper. It should be an easy fight for Parker but yeah, the fire seems to be lacking a bit from him and I fear that he'll allow himself to get bullied around the ring when he shouldn't.
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Canelo continued on his journey as the best pound for pound boxer in the world today , looks an absolute beast at 168 pounds
Billie joe Saunders in May should be a beauty ,
Lets hope for fury v AJ , Spence v Crawford ( have doubts on that one ) in the same year as well
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I found this in my spam email, interested in what @raznomore thinks....
Is Tyson Fury the most underrated boxer ever? Why people don't realize he is the best heavyweight ever and also the best boxer ever in pounds for pound ranking?
People don’t realize that Fury is the best heavyweight ever because he is nowhere remotely close to being the best heavyweight ever.Fury is the best heavyweight fighting today, but career wise, has only beaten two top 100 all time fighters - one was going on 40, and the other, Deontay Wilder, can’t box and had never beaten anyone in the top 100.
Fury says himself Mike Tyson would KO him in the first round, and he is right. And Tyson is not the only one, Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, Vitali Klitschko would all stomp a mudhole in Tyson Fury.
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After Deontay Wilder made his comments about Mike Tyson recently, Fury spoke up defending Iron Mike, and then, after a reporter asked how he himself would have done against Tyson, Fury said this:
Speaking to TMZ Fury said there would be no contest if he fought ‘Iron’ Mike back in his prime:
“Yeah, I think Mike Tyson would have knocked me out in 30 seconds.”
The reporter asked was he serious to which Fury replied:
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Fury is a lot of things, but he is serious about boxing history and in place in it (except when he is promoting a bout!).
The computer simulations run by Friday Night Fights has Fury lasting 2 rounds, and going down and out in the second.
Fury has not beaten elite competition
Anthony Mason, boxing writer, said:
“I think the only way to fairly rank a boxer's place in history is by comparing their résumés. And that does not mean just wins and losses - it is too easy today to fight only has beens or never will be's, and run up the record.”
Fury has met two top 100 fighters, and gotten 2 wins and a draw, against a guy going on 40 years old, and a guy who can’t box.
The rest of Fury’s career has been spent fighting has beens and never was’s.
Joe Louis had a “bum of the month” club - but Fury has a bum for a career club
Joe’s idea of a bum was #3 all time great light heavyweight Billy Conn, fighting as a heavyweight, or #18 of all time heavyweight Bob Pastor, or #49 (and ex champ) Primo Carnera, and so on. All of his opponents in that club were ranked in the top 250 of all time.
The three modern stooges fight nothing but REAL bums!
Fury has fought 26 of 30 fighters not in the top 500! Most are not in the top 1000.
Fury’s highest ranked opponent who wasn’t old or could box, is #119 Derek Chisora, who he fought twice, the first time going the distance with, and in the rematch managing to stop him in the 10th round.
Because Fury has not beaten elite competition, he himself is not elite
Jack Blackburn, history’s great trainer, said:
“You are who you beat.”
Fury has beaten a guy going on 40, a guy whose trainer said didn’t box as well as an 11 year old, a fat guy ranked not in the top 100, and 27 tomato cans.
The Great Jack Blackburn summed up a record like Fury’s, in Joe Louis he is quoted as saying:
“Boxing is the ultimate you gotta win business. You can have Joe Louis talent but if you have a Chub Crawford record you ain’t the best, you’re just not.”
Fury has a Chub Crawford record.
Tyson Fury is simply not that talented
Larry Holmes says flatly Fury is no all time great:
“I would’ve knocked Fury out, I would’ve hit him in the body, head, then circled around. Hit him with right hands and left hooks. I ain’t going to stand there and trade with him like Wilder did. It ain’t no match.”
Fury simply is not that strong or fast, just big, with good boxing skills, a willingness to fight dirty, and a lot of heart. Fury doesn’t have the speed or the strength to box outside with Holmes or Ali, or enough power to keep Liston, Foreman, Frazier, and others off of him.
When I watch Fury I appreciate his courage and his ring sense, his ability to use what limited athleticism he has to overpower men with more talent and less boxing ability.
Roy Jones sums up Fury and Fury’s place in history best. Although Jones credited Fury with a great performance and considers him an all-timer from the standpoint of "being able to figure out the puzzle," he's against the idea that Fury suddenly cemented himself as a legend. The reason, along with Fury's short sample size, is that he doesn't feel Wilder had a strong enough resume heading in to their showdown:
“You can't call [Fury] an all-timer because the bully just hadn't been bullied yet." ”
Andre Ward notes:
“He doesn't have a lot of great names on his record. He's really got two.”
Fury simply is not that strong or fast, just huge, with good boxing skills, a great boxing IQ, a willingness to fight dirty, and a lot of heart.
Comparing records with all time greats from the Golden Age and the Lewis era
Muhammad Ali quoted in “The Greatest” said:
“When people ask me about who was the greatest of all time, I say look at the records.
Fury has faced 2 fighters in the top 100, one was 39, one couldn’t box
Joe Louis faced 15 top 100 fighters, beating 13 at least once;
Ezzard Charles fought 17 top 100 of all time fighters and beat 15 of 17 at least once
Rocky Marciano faced 8 top 100 fighters, beating them all
Floyd Patterson faced 10 all time top 100 fighters and beat 7 of them at least once
Liston faced 7 all time top 100 fighters, beating all but Ali, and Martin when he was 40
Ali faced 17 top 100 fighters, beating 16 of them, 21 of 22 top 150 fighters!
Oscar Bonavena faced 6 top 100 fighters and beat 4 of them
Frazier faced 7 top 100 fighters, and beat 6 of them
Ken Norton 5 top 100 fighters, and beat 3 of them, his losses were only to Ali and Foreman;
Foreman faced 7 top 100 fighters and beat 5 of them, his only loss other than Ali occurred with him over 40
Holmes faced 7 top 100 fighters, and beat 3, but all 4 losses were after he was 36, 3 of them after he was 42!
The Lion, Lennox Lewis, fought 10 top 100 fighters, beating all of them at least once.
Holyfield fought 10 top 100 fighters, beating 7 of them at least once
Mike Tyson fought 8 top 100 fighters, beating 5 of them;
Riddick Bowe fought 4 top 100 fighters, beating all of them at least once
Vitali Klitschko faced 5 top 100 fighters, beating 3, the 2 he lost he was ahead when he was injured, both declined to rematch him
All the older era fighters had far better resumes than Tyson Fury.This age of heavyweights is terrible and bigger does not mean better
There are writers on here, who confuse size with skill.
Boxing writer and historian, Frank Thomas, explains the difference between size and skill:
“In the minds of some, size trumps all. Ergo, the Klitschkos [or Fury] should defeat any other heavyweight who is not of similar stature. This gravely misunderstands the role of size in boxing, as amply demonstrated by yesteryear’s Primo Carnera, the Golden Age’s own Ernie Terrell, or modern fighters such as Nikolai Valuev and Lance Whitaker. In addition to height, it also misreads what “size” is.
Bulky muscles look impressive, but they do not help a fighter hit harder. Instead, they slow a fighter down and serve as useless bulk which must be hauled around the ring all night. Anyone who has trained using old school boxing methods is familiar with just how difficult it is to build good boxing muscle through weight lifting."
Because fighters today are bigger, does not mean they are better. A physique like Joshua's is useful if he is posing on a stage for Mr. Universe, and not a bit of help in the ring while a fat Mexican is pounding his huge posterior. His size helps him against boxers without the skill to actually box him.
Giant size like Fury’s helps when he is facing an opponent like Wilder who can’t box - but Fury would fold like a giant accordion against a Liston or a Lewis.
Shining moments in Fury’s career:
Fury’s highest ranked opponent who wasn’t old or could box, is #116 Derek Chisora, who he fought twice, the first time going the distance with, and in the rematch managing to stop him in the 10th round.
Fury got cut to pieces by that monster, Otto Wallin, ranked #1,390 of all time
Tyson Fury defending his “lineal” title against that powerhouse #1,467 Tom Schwartz.
Lennox Lewis sums up Fury best:“Never has a man so big punched so small!”
Anyone thinking Fury the best heavyweight of all time knows absolutely nothing about the sweet science. Pound for pound Fury isn’t even in the top 100 of all time, and shouldn’t be.
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