Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host
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@antipodean we had reasonable crowds up here for the U20 Soccer WC with Myanmar here twice.
I assume we wont get a Black Ferns game here, but hopefully we will get Samoa or Tonga which will see big crowds travel like they did in the RWC for Tonga.
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Looking at the NZRU 2015 annual report, which covers the 2014 year when we hosted the 2014 JWC.
Junior World Championship hosting:
- income: $96,000
- expenditure: $4,225,000
- loss: $4,427,000
Auckland just won't watch this stuff.
Not sure how much more expensive the hosting would be if it was Dunedin based or Christchuch based. Or if a Dunedin based tournament would have the hotelier capacity
But if it was:
- Christchurch
- Timaru
- Blenheim
- Nelson
or
- Dunedin
- Invercargill
- Queenstown
- Oamaru
I'd back them to sell more than $96k of tickets.
Assume someone has run the numbers and investigated the infrastructure capacities though.
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@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Other thing to bear in mind, from a big picture perspective, that hosting IRB tournaments , (JWCs, 7s world series, women's world cups, 7s world cups), is a pre-requisite to bidding for the big one.
And being a Tier One Rugby Nation, which Australia isn't.
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@nta said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Other thing to bear in mind, from a big picture perspective, that hosting IRB tournaments , (JWCs, 7s world series, women's world cups, 7s world cups), is a pre-requisite to bidding for the big one.
And being a Tier One Rugby Nation, which Australia isn't.
I almost miss the days when you guys had a bit of backbone.
Agent Robbie is probably the greatest saboteur the world has ever known.
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@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Assume someone has run the numbers and investigated the infrastructure capacities though.
Playing the majority of the games in Auckland will reduce costs for domestic travel and accommodation won't be a problem. The WR suits will prefer staying in 5-star Auckland hotels too.
I would also assume there will be a lot of double-headers or triple-headers as Eden Park isn't cheap to use (refer to test cricket for an example).
They need to make the ticket prices really cheap to get punters through the gates. An empty Eden Park won't be a good look on TV.
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@bovidae said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
Assume someone has run the numbers and investigated the infrastructure capacities though.
Playing the majority of the games in Auckland will reduce costs for domestic travel and accommodation won't be a problem. The WR suits will prefer staying in 5-star Auckland hotels too.
I would also assume there will be a lot of double-headers or triple-headers as Eden Park isn't cheap to use (refer to test cricket for an example).
They need to make the ticket prices really cheap to get punters through the gates. An empty Eden Park won't be a good look on TV.
None of that stopped the 2014 U20 world cup being a $4m sink hole.
I assume govt is picking up the cost this time though.
It's probably a moot point until Chch has a stadium. But next time they host this or the U20 JWC I'd like them to investigate Chch as the hub combined with small regional grounds within a a few hours drive.
Aucklanders can't even get home for dinner on time on a Wednesday night, let alone go across town to watch a rugby game. It's the worst choice as a hub.
The JWC in 2014 had 24 games and they sold $96k worth of tickets.
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@bovidae said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The JWC in 2014 had 24 games and they sold $96k worth of tickets.
Where were the games played? I honestly don't even remember the tournament.
Eden Park, Albany, Pukekohe.
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@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@bovidae said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The JWC in 2014 had 24 games and they sold $96k worth of tickets.
Where were the games played? I honestly don't even remember the tournament.
Eden Park, Albany, Pukekohe.
I was going to say South Africa won with Handre Pollard as the star. But I just looked up wiki and England pipped SAF in the final.
NZ lost to SAF twice (in pool and in semi).
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@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
I was going to say South Africa won with Handre Pollard as the star. But I just looked up wiki and England pipped SAF in the final.
NZ lost to SAF twice (in pool and in semi).
Ah, now I remember. I watched the NZ games on TV, as I'd likely do for this tournament.
Using the U20s football WC as an example, taking games to the provinces worked (I went to games myself) but I'm not sure if that tournament made a profit despite very good crowds. FIFA has more money.
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@mariner4life said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
I almost miss the days when you guys had a bit of backbone.
Almost.
Agent Robbie is probably the greatest saboteur the world has ever known.
Agent Raelene is carrying on the legacy brilliantly.
Might be a reason to get back to NZ in 2021.
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@antipodean said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
IRB U20 world cup
I don't really see why you can't put one pool in Auckland, one pool in South Island and one pool in central North Island. I think people would like to go to a game for novelty reasons but I don't think many people will go to multiple games. I can imagine the New Zealand games getting some decent crowds but people won't bother with the others.
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@hydro11
NZR has obviously crunched the numbers and decided only using Auckland and Whangarei is the most cost-effective model to use. Tew said they only expect modest ticket sales and have worked on breaking even. I note that all pool games will be triple-headers so this is about reducing operational costs.Interesting also that the Home Nations all voted for Australia, NZ relied on SH votes, many of which won't be participating at the WC.
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@bovidae just listening to RS and a guy (Graham Beazley from Sportsfreak?) there just saying there is a distance requirement in that all games need to be within 120km (I assume he meant miles as Whangarei is over 120km away) apparently some age group Tournaments use this model?
That said, that doesnt stack up cos Hamilton.
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@taniwharugby They will be busing teams up to Whangarei I would assume so could just have easily done the same to Hamilton.
Looking at the WR website, games will be played in multiple venues in Auckland. In July and August 2021.
Matches will be played at the 5,000 capacity Waitakere Stadium in Auckland and the Northland Events Centre in Whangarei, with a capacity of up to 20,000, as well as the 25,000 capacity Albany Stadium and Eden Park, which hosted the Rugby World Cup 2011 final.
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IMO, They'd be better doing Wellington, Levin, Masterton, Petone Rec.
A bit of a blow to the prestige of the tournament using Petone Rec, though.
Or Rotorua as the base (hotels). Using Rotorua, Tauranga, Taupo, Hamilton.
Auckland is dysfunctional. It takes a big event (or a compulsion to go earn yor money) to brave the drudge of moving about in Auckland.
The most successful WRWC yet (the last one in Ireland)
Used:
Billings Park UCD: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/JXT4W9/dublin-ireland-17th-aug-2017-womens-rugby-world-cup-at-billings-park-JXT4W9.jpgUCD Bowl: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Belfield_Bowl.jpg
and then Kingspan Stadium, Belfast for the big games.
The 2017 tournament set attendance records for a Women’s World Cup. The tournament drew 45,412 fans over 30 matches. The final was played in front of a crowd of 17,115, and the pool matches sold out.
37% of the entire tournament crowd was made up of the grand final.
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@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The 2017 tournament set attendance records for a Women’s World Cup. The tournament drew 45,412 fans over 30 matches. The final was played in front of a crowd of 17,115, and the pool matches sold out.
37% of the entire tournament crowd was made up of the grand final.
Pool matches sold out? All of them? But that was 28,000 people? Confused ....
I remember the World Cup final was an excellent game, I reckon with some good marketing and a successful NZ run, the crowds could actually be OK.
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@kiwipie said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
@rapido said in Womens RWC 2021 -NZ to host:
The 2017 tournament set attendance records for a Women’s World Cup. The tournament drew 45,412 fans over 30 matches. The final was played in front of a crowd of 17,115, and the pool matches sold out.
37% of the entire tournament crowd was made up of the grand final.
Pool matches sold out? All of them? But that was 28,000 people? Confused ....
I remember the World Cup final was an excellent game, I reckon with some good marketing and a successful NZ run, the crowds could actually be OK.
Yes, confusing.
All of the pool games were played at University playing fields. We'd be talking attendances in the 100s. It could also just be bollocks that pool matches were sold out, as its wikipedia.
Kingspan wasn't used until the semis and final, and also for Ireland's game in the 5th to 8th playoffs. These matches, e.g the semifinals, were also double headers at same stadium.
Kingspan used for 6 games over 5 matchdays. The
