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@Chris you'd think they'd have learnt from Julian Savea and more recently Codie Taylor, the latter battling with form in 2022 and he's signed on through 2025....
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Chris you'd think they'd have learnt from Julian Savea and more recently Codie Taylor, the latter battling with form in 2022 and he's signed on through 2025....
Yep exactly they dig a hole for themselves with this sort of thing.
For me if you go overseas then that is your career over seas you can not have it both ways.
Were is the incentive for players to stay with their SR teams and NPC teams we are already seeing it with all these players off to MRL if that grows bigger and you have Europe and Japan.
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@Chris yeah sabbaticals are one thing for long term players, but surely they need to consider that most players come back worse than when they left.
Do the Irish still get some kind of tax exemption once they retire? Would be good if we could get a way for our guys to spend thier last years playing here more often, this is where our next generation are missing out.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Chris yeah sabbaticals are one thing for long term players, but surely they need to consider that most players come back worse than when they left.
Do the Irish still get some kind of tax exemption once they retire? Would be good if we could get a way for our guys to spend thier last years playing here more often, this is where our next generation are missing out.
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I can not see why they would want to sign a almost 36 year old BB in 2025.
I guess Razor has indicated he wants him in his AB squad.
But to be serious. WTF!!!
Well we don't know what he was offered, if any money, it could well of been should we make a contracxt where you go overseas and could be used in ABs??
FFS why is everything so negative? RA use players that are contracted overseas, they only get paid when playing for Wallabies!! I would guess it was simialr idea for just in case and the NZR board said no anyway.Yep that worked out well for them with another aging First Five.
36 year old First Five who is declining in his ability at 32 let alone in 4 more years.
Maybe money should be spent elsewhere and not to mention it opens up doors for all our AB's to play overseas that would hurt our domestic comps and make them 3rd Rate.I wonder if TV monies will be as big if that happens I would say not.
Just a silly idea by NZR again with no real benefit to the game in NZ through the tiers.For christ sake have you 2 read the report? It was suggested as a possibilty and was that any further discussion would take place if NZR board agreed!
“All parties were aware that further discussion and decision on this remained subject to NZR board decision.
NZR board didn't agree so it was never offered!! Geez bloody christ talk about take what you want that's anti out of a press report!!
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I can not see why they would want to sign a almost 36 year old BB in 2025.
I guess Razor has indicated he wants him in his AB squad.
But to be serious. WTF!!!
Well we don't know what he was offered, if any money, it could well of been should we make a contracxt where you go overseas and could be used in ABs??
FFS why is everything so negative? RA use players that are contracted overseas, they only get paid when playing for Wallabies!! I would guess it was simialr idea for just in case and the NZR board said no anyway.Yep that worked out well for them with another aging First Five.
36 year old First Five who is declining in his ability at 32 let alone in 4 more years.
Maybe money should be spent elsewhere and not to mention it opens up doors for all our AB's to play overseas that would hurt our domestic comps and make them 3rd Rate.I wonder if TV monies will be as big if that happens I would say not.
Just a silly idea by NZR again with no real benefit to the game in NZ through the tiers.For christ sake have you 2 read the report? It was suggested as a possibilty and was that any further discussion would take place if NZR board agreed!
“All parties were aware that further discussion and decision on this remained subject to NZR board decision.
NZR board didn't agree so it was never offered!! Geez bloody christ talk about take what you want that's anti out of a press report!!
hahaha calm down mate its the idea that is stupid.
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I can not see why they would want to sign a almost 36 year old BB in 2025.
I guess Razor has indicated he wants him in his AB squad.
But to be serious. WTF!!!
Well we don't know what he was offered, if any money, it could well of been should we make a contracxt where you go overseas and could be used in ABs??
FFS why is everything so negative? RA use players that are contracted overseas, they only get paid when playing for Wallabies!! I would guess it was simialr idea for just in case and the NZR board said no anyway.Yep that worked out well for them with another aging First Five.
36 year old First Five who is declining in his ability at 32 let alone in 4 more years.
Maybe money should be spent elsewhere and not to mention it opens up doors for all our AB's to play overseas that would hurt our domestic comps and make them 3rd Rate.I wonder if TV monies will be as big if that happens I would say not.
Just a silly idea by NZR again with no real benefit to the game in NZ through the tiers.For christ sake have you 2 read the report? It was suggested as a possibilty and was that any further discussion would take place if NZR board agreed!
“All parties were aware that further discussion and decision on this remained subject to NZR board decision.
NZR board didn't agree so it was never offered!! Geez bloody christ talk about take what you want that's anti out of a press report!!
Surely you have been around here long enough to know that reading reports is not needed to form an opinion or substantiate a rant?
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I can not see why they would want to sign a almost 36 year old BB in 2025.
I guess Razor has indicated he wants him in his AB squad.
But to be serious. WTF!!!
Well we don't know what he was offered, if any money, it could well of been should we make a contracxt where you go overseas and could be used in ABs??
FFS why is everything so negative? RA use players that are contracted overseas, they only get paid when playing for Wallabies!! I would guess it was simialr idea for just in case and the NZR board said no anyway.Yep that worked out well for them with another aging First Five.
36 year old First Five who is declining in his ability at 32 let alone in 4 more years.
Maybe money should be spent elsewhere and not to mention it opens up doors for all our AB's to play overseas that would hurt our domestic comps and make them 3rd Rate.I wonder if TV monies will be as big if that happens I would say not.
Just a silly idea by NZR again with no real benefit to the game in NZ through the tiers.For christ sake have you 2 read the report? It was suggested as a possibilty and was that any further discussion would take place if NZR board agreed!
“All parties were aware that further discussion and decision on this remained subject to NZR board decision.
NZR board didn't agree so it was never offered!! Geez bloody christ talk about take what you want that's anti out of a press report!!
Should never have been raised as a possibility.
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@Dan54 maybe you could read whats been written?
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Dan54 maybe you could read whats been written?
Yep I did, where someone who is employed by NZR had a suggestion, that needed to go before the board before any further discussion would be had?
Have I missed something, the NZR made no offer , someone was obviously looking at seeing if there was any new ideas to be had, NZR said no there wasn't! -
@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Chris you'd think they'd have learnt from Julian Savea and more recently Codie Taylor, the latter battling with form in 2022 and he's signed on through 2025....
Yep exactly they dig a hole for themselves with this sort of thing.
For me if you go overseas then that is your career over seas you can not have it both ways.
Were is the incentive for players to stay with their SR teams and NPC teams we are already seeing it with all these players off to MRL if that grows bigger and you have Europe and Japan.
We will have our top 40 or 50 players not playing in NZ comps.Yep and exactly why NZR , didn't allow there to be any discussion on it!! I agree wholeheartedly that they shouldn't be given, so do NZR apparently.
So seems you calling NZR idiots for agreeing with you huh??? -
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If it goes to board level then it is not just brainstorming ...
Well it is, because anyone who has idea has to take it too board level to see if it can be discussed first. Surely any idea is talked about, then taken to higher level to see if it can be done, it is in almost any business I been involved in.
That's how we got sabbaticals, Cater's agent took it to negotiating table , they listened and took it to board who agreed.
And personally have done similar myself, dept I ran , young fella was leaving, I asked if he got more money would he consider staying, he said he would think on it, boss didn't want to pay him more, so no problem. -
@Dan54 I meant on here before you threw your toys.
As far as i could tell, we were talking generally re contracting.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Dan54 I meant on here before you threw your toys.
As far as i could tell, we were talking generally re contracting.
Fair enough , I was talking re BB case as that was where NZR was involved. And was never aimed at you was in reply to the so called waste of NZR's recourses.
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@taniwharugby said in Exodus:
@Dan54 maybe you could read whats been written?
Yep I did, where someone who is employed by NZR had a suggestion, that needed to go before the board before any further discussion would be had?
Have I missed something, the NZR made no offer , someone was obviously looking at seeing if there was any new ideas to be had, NZR said no there wasn't!We were talking generally not the actual article.
Yes it was stupid by the NZR to even consider it or breach the subject with Barrett.
Another bad thought entered someone’s head at NZR.Not for the first time lately.And you throwing your dummy out of the cot does not change anyone’s opinion.
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@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it. -
@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place. -
@Chris I would think that too, but maybe these people explore all possiblities, just to get paramaters on where they can go later?
I will give you a couple of examples, years back when I was on rugby club committee, it was suggested that we should look at incorporating netball teams. it was thrown out so far as crazy scheme as we were a RUGBY club, and our sole job was looking after rugby teams etc.. Guess I don't need to tell you how long after that there were women's hockey team, followed not long after by a number of netball teams. Those that didn't want netball teams, had real valid reasons too.
Also even earlier committee I was chair of there was discussion on letting girls play Saturday morning rugby!! How crazy was that?? No chance of course! -
@Chris I would be very very surprised if any big organisation/club (and not so big) didn't have some out of it ideas thrown out for discussion. It's how they work, once in a blue moon 'out of it' ideas work.
The only boards/companies/clubs that fail/stagnate in my opinion are those that discourage new/different ideas from being discussed. That's why you have boards voted in, to try and work out what is good or not.
My opinion is NZR board got this right, they discussed idea and rejected it.But not that idea it had very very little merit.
And really it should have not entered anyone’s head at NZR to even it bring it up to Barrett in the first place.And much as I agree the idea has very little merit, I strongly suspect eventually it will happen. Unfortunately, was always going to be case the day rugby went pro!
And I will add paying rugby players?? What idiot bought up that idea?? And what board listened?
