The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
It’s weird that Sky couldn’t find at least one Maori to be part of this commentary team.
Hames would be good value as he seems to be an intelligent guy judging by his comments.
He would only have to go to the next room to join the Sky commentators.
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@tim said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Didn't go past horizontal, landed on his back not neck or shoulders ... not sure the problem
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@bovidae said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
It’s weird that Sky couldn’t find at least one Maori to be part of this commentary team.
Hames would be good value as he seems to be an intelligent guy judging by his comments.
He would only have to go to the next room to join the Sky commentators.
Yeah, he was really good, I'm sure he could have offered something in the commentary box!
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@taniwharugby said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
dont you need to be able to trace/prove your Whakapapa?
Yep, but it’s a NZ team so you need to be an NZ player - e.g. Quade can’t as he’s an Oz contracted player.
The Maori criteria is contracted to a provincial union and Whakapapa
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@booboo said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@tim said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Didn't go past horizontal, landed on his back not neck or shoulders ... not sure the problem
The problem is that it’s rugby, not WWF. No issue with that sort of thing being dealt with. I wouldn’t even classify that as a tackle.
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@act-crusader said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@taniwharugby said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
dont you need to be able to trace/prove your Whakapapa?
Yep, but it’s a NZ team so you need to be an NZ player - e.g. Quade can’t as he’s an Oz contracted player.
The Maori criteria is contracted to a provincial union and Whakapapa
Really? That seems weird to me. Quade should come play some NPC.
Cheers.
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@nepia I guess in theory, as NZM doesnt tie you to NZ, he could, but I suspect there would be somethign in there about NZ eligibility...although someone like Riki Flutely coulda made things interesting if he came back and was upto it
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@stargazer I guess it depends how far you go back in your family history. I'd fit right in with some of these white boys!
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@bovidae I wonder what the criteria are. I understand they're quite strict in applying them nowadays. Is it 1/16th?
Interestingly, Karpik apparently only recently found out about his whakapapa.
Mitch Karpik didn't know much about his Māori heritage until recently, but now it's been discovered he wants to find out more. Making the Māori All Blacks for their tour of the Americas next month is just a bonus. "Whether I made the team or not it's just cool to know where I came from," says the blond haired flanker who was named both the Steamers Player of the Year and Player's Player of the Year at the Bay of Plenty rugby awards on Wednesday night. "It's actually on my mum's side. She traced it back a couple of years ago now and confirmed it with kaumatua down Hawke's Bay way. "Hopefully one day I can get down there with Mum and meet the whanau." -
@stargazer Blood quantum or percentage or fraction is irrelevant to Maori - we go over this every year - it's all based on whakapapa. If you have dead ancestors then you have whakapapa.
If someone with previously unknown whakapapa discovers it through the Maori team then I think that's great as they then have to learn their pepeha (explaining who you are, where you and your people are from etc) in Maori (and learn a few waiata I guess - I'm not a fan of endless singing so I'm not fussed with that). And as Karpik notes he's actually now thinking about heading down to HB to meet his family which will likely involve visiting his Marae etc.
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@stargazer I have no idea on the exact criteria but it would need to be verified. IIRC my father and uncle needed to provide a lot of documentation to become a registered member of their iwi so I would expect a similar process for the NZM.
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@bovidae said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
IIRC my father and uncle needed to provide a lot of documentation to become a registered member of their iwi so I would expect a similar process for the NZM
Each iwi has their own criteria (and lots of people don't even bother enrolling with their iwi) and many require little documentation but the main info needed in most cases would be confirmation from a kaumatua. I'm not enrolled with Kahungunu (through laziness, despite the fact I have written a report about 'enrolling with iwi' in the past) but the main 'proof' is a form with your whakapapa that's been verified by a kaumatua.
I think Matt Te Pou got into it a bit in his book - but it's been so long since I read it I can't quite remember 100%, but I think the Maori team kaumatua often helps out the player if they're having issues following up on their whakapapa (like with Stevenson before last years tour).
@Stargazer I guess my point was that I don't think NZR would have different criteria (such as fractions) than what Maori have.
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@act-crusader said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@booboo said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@tim said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Didn't go past horizontal, landed on his back not neck or shoulders ... not sure the problem
The problem is that it’s rugby, not WWF. No issue with that sort of thing being dealt with. I wouldn’t even classify that as a tackle.
Yeah, on reflection I get that. And said as much:
@booboo said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Maybe dropping him?
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Each iwi has their own criteria (and lots of people don't even bother enrolling with their iwi) and many require little documentation but the main info needed in most cases would be confirmation from a kaumatua.
In my situation this was all done when I lived overseas but the family's reason for enrolling (with Tainui) was to get some of the benefits available to registered members and for my cousin, a university scholarship. The latter wasn't available when I was at Uni. The family also donated a carved walking stick, which I assume was done in conjunction with the local kaumatua as they held an official ceremony.
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@bovidae said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Each iwi has their own criteria (and lots of people don't even bother enrolling with their iwi) and many require little documentation but the main info needed in most cases would be confirmation from a kaumatua.
In my situation this was all done when I lived overseas but the family's reason for enrolling (with Tainui) was to get some of the benefits available to registered members and for my cousin, a university scholarship. The latter wasn't available when I was at Uni. The family also donated a carved walking stick, which I assume was done in conjunction with the local kaumatua as they held an official ceremony.
Meh, Tainui.
Just kidding. What was up with the carved walking stick? Do Tainui require that? Did someone in your family carve it? IIRC (from my report, which was about Maori living overseas registering for their iwi) Tainui and Ngai Tahu require a bit more than other iwi - which no doubt is due to their large putea (their bank balances).
When were you at uni? You would have been eligible for Maanaki Tauira which in the early 90s was decent money. It was a set fund distributed based on how many applicants and the fees they pay. In my first two years of uni I got nearly 80% of my fees, then people started bloody discovering their whakapa
(and fees went up) so the percentage dropped by heaps.
