The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@steven-harris said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@stargazer I looked up Josh Ioane and couldn't find any info on him being Māori, so I thought he wasn't. Great to see him picked ahead of JGB!
Just on Josh Ioane,he’s my sister in-laws first cousins grandson,the father is Samoan ,the mother is a Pirini from Northland
He’s got ties to both Northland and Auckland ,schooled at Kings College in Auckland ..you could say another one that got away from both Northland and AucklandPissed me off no end in the last couple of years watching him run around for Otago - clearly has some talent - meanwhile Auckland were stuck with no hoper Hickey and grandpa Bowden. Thankfully Plummer looks a decent prospect in his own right.
Plummer looks good, even though his name and look make him seem English to me. I'd plump for Ioane and Plummer over Cameron I think.
I don't mind the Cameron selection so much in the scheme of things. Plummer has done very well but he's been very protected in the Auckland team (which is not a criticism, it's smart cos he's young). They have so many kicking options he isn't asked to do too much but he is ticking along just nicely. I think it's probably a bit early for him to be in the AB setup - let him develop through Super Rugby first - there's no need to rush it.
Otere Black I think would be ahead of Cameron in the overall queue but actually does need gametime so it makes sense for him to be on the Maori tour. Josh Ioane has a chance to impress on the tour too.
I can see why they overlooked Hunt - whilst Hunt is more deserving - you get the sense he's reached his peak - he's absolutely tiny and is a solid provincial option but not much more.
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@kiwimurph Agree with most of that, think you're being a bit harsh on Hunt though. Isn't Cameron a similar stature?
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Gee just when you think losing Cruden then Sopoaga a crisis is unfolding,Nek minute we have got first fives coming out of our ears,not a bad problem to have I say.
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@nepia yeah potentially. I just don't see Hunt as a test quality 10. A tidy provincial/Super 10 - sure. I just think in the overall scheme of things it's one game against Japan (which he likely won't even play in). They've already said Perofeta is ahead of Cameron, I'm not sure how much Super game time Cameron is realistically going to get next year to push his claims (insert joke about Frizell here) so I wouldn't read too much into it in the short term.
There is a bit of an issue with who the next quality 10 outside the ABs is so they want to take a look at this guy - cool.
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@dk said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia I have sent this email to All Blacks TV
Hi I reside in Australia. Will you be providing paid live streaming for the USA, Brazil & Chile fixtures?
I will let you know the response. This is the service I used to watch the games last year
Yeah, I watched one of them that way last year - hopefully they're doing it again.
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@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
I can see why they overlooked Hunt - whilst Hunt is more deserving - you get the sense he's reached his peak - he's absolutely tiny and is a solid provincial option but not much more.
Hunt tiny? Only 2 cm shorter than Mo'unga.
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@stargazer said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
I can see why they overlooked Hunt - whilst Hunt is more deserving - you get the sense he's reached his peak - he's absolutely tiny and is a solid provincial option but not much more.
Hunt tiny? Only 2 cm shorter than Mo'unga.
and 7kg lighter....
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This tour should be a special experience for Able. From fringe Aussie super player to representing NZ Maori, doing the Haka and the chance to connect with his ancestry which is an important part of the culture of that team.
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@daffy-jaffy said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
This tour should be a special experience for Able. From fringe Aussie super player to representing NZ Maori, doing the Haka and the chance to connect with his ancestry which is an important part of the culture of that team.
Got a bit of a lump in the old throat when I saw his name in the squad. I’ve known Robbie since he was a kid and his extended family since I was a kid and it’s a massive honour to him and them.
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@act-crusader That's very cool. You must have the oil on if and where he is playing super rugby?
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@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Billy Harmon
How did Douglas miss out? I don't get Prinsep but don't have a problem with Matenga. Actually, on Karpik if you look at his face (like the McKenzies and Tony Brown) you can see the Maori despite the blonde hair.
Hall and Weber are in the Maori team - how the fudge is Hall in the ABs as well?
Maybe they just thought Ioane was related to the other Ioanes and chucked him in anyway?
A surprisingly decent team I think.
Hall is not alone in this case : Proctor and NMS are in both squads as well.
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@cgrant said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
Billy Harmon
How did Douglas miss out? I don't get Prinsep but don't have a problem with Matenga. Actually, on Karpik if you look at his face (like the McKenzies and Tony Brown) you can see the Maori despite the blonde hair.
Hall and Weber are in the Maori team - how the fudge is Hall in the ABs as well?
Maybe they just thought Ioane was related to the other Ioanes and chucked him in anyway?
A surprisingly decent team I think.
Hall is not alone in this case : Proctor and NMS are in both squads as well.
I think you missed my point - it wasn't about one player being in two squads it was about Hall being in the AB squad.
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@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia he's got a better case than Drummond.
That's not saying anything.
Edit: Although you have to give Drummond his dues, he's made the ABs at 9 despite not meeting the selection criteria of being Maori.
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@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia who would you pick instead of Hall?
Weber, Fakatava
(JK about Fakatava). Weber has come back into form in the NPC whereas Hall has gone the other way. -
@kiwimurph said in The Māori All Blacks' tour to the Americas:
@nepia yeah potentially. I just don't see Hunt as a test quality 10. A tidy provincial/Super 10 - sure. I just think in the overall scheme of things it's one game against Japan (which he likely won't even play in). They've already said Perofeta is ahead of Cameron, I'm not sure how much Super game time Cameron is realistically going to get next year to push his claims (insert joke about Frizell here) so I wouldn't read too much into it in the short term.
There is a bit of an issue with who the next quality 10 outside the ABs is so they want to take a look at this guy - cool.
Yeah - it's a huge bonus for whomever the fourth first five who got picked is. None of them are close to AB quality at present. None of them are really ready to helm a Super team. Cameron the lucky one who's won Lotto.
Mitch Hunt has improved quite a lot on this time last year though. He's a sensible guy - signed up for another growing season at the Crusaders - after which, he'll probably be a reasonable first choice Super rugby 10.
