Haka-Gate
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@bovidae ah thought so, was at that game with @Kirwan and @WillieTheWaiter it was a very good haka!
The Aussie side had a few very good players in it too.
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Personally I agree that they’d be better off only performing it at home. I’d also prefer a little less choreographed lead-in too. Having said that, I’d hate to see it chopped completely, because it’s so well-known beyond rugby. I can’t remember how many times I’ve had someone say ‘All Blacks Haka’ to me when I’ve been traveling - all over Asia, Europe, and North America. For that alone - meaning the ‘brand’ value of the ABs that draws in AIG etc, we should keep it.
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Genuine menance.
Different game then. Always felt sorry for Huw, waking up to be sent off.
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I still like it.
But I usually watch my test matches these days a little delayed after the tots are in bed and I fast forward through it.
When I do watch them, I don't like the 'look at moi' theatrics by the TJP-esque haka leaders. E.g the long-winded leadup.
But, I certainly like it when at the actual stadium.
I don't think its being overdone from an AB perspective. They do it once per match. 14 times or so a year or whatever. Other codes and Sevens victory hakas and fricking swimmers bronze medal classless medal ceremony ambushes etc are the guilty party if talking 'over done'.
When they went on those 3 month tours of yesteryear they did it twice a week ....
Wouldn't be bothered if it wasn't done overseas or in some venues if not welcome. The fact it has IRB protocols around it is a bit silly, that it needs them, to stop the 'outrage'.
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I'll always have a soft spot for the Buck Shelford era haka. It was the first version I can remember that had genuine menace.
Remember this? Still fairly tame from all those white boys compared to today's version. Buck and McDowall are the only players showing any menace.
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Traditionally haka was only performed overseas
Pretty sure the first haka at home was against Italy at RWC 87
I had to look that up as I thought I could remember as a wee nipper watching the Haka live. You are right about 1987 but I couldn't see against who. It just said Buck and Hika Reid were instrumental in getting it performed at home
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The Haka is always better when the team is in siege mentality or under pressure... which these days is about every second year while at was almost the entire 90s and early 00s once the Haka was introduced home/away.
Those mentioned are correct though we go back to amatuerism, make the chaps have jobs, only have Springbok Tours every four years, flush the World Cup for sure...
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Bring back the haka in the change sheds....
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@antipodean said in Haka-Gate:
Genuine menance.
Different game then. Always felt sorry for Huw, waking up to be sent off.
Great player, cheap bastard.
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@mikethesnow said in Haka-Gate:
@antipodean said in Haka-Gate:
Genuine menance.
Different game then. Always felt sorry for Huw, waking up to be sent off.
Great player, cheap bastard.
Not sure Huw qualifies as a great player.
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@antipodean I thought the reference was for the Welsh loosehead 😀
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@taniwharugby Muldoon and Black Power became quite chummy. He may have been many things but Piggy was no coward and enjoyed confrontation which the gang leaders seemed to respect. He also seemed to respect them as tough buggers which given how craven his cabinet was probably endeared them to him. He set up work programmes and accommodation to assist BP
There's a story that one Black Power member flicked beer in Muldon's face. He threw his whisky back in the blokes face and fronted up to him. Instant respect.
Muldoon met the gangs regularly and took the time to understand the gangs and their culture actually did something about the problem rather than sweep it under the carpet.
