Crusaders 2019
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@Stargazer The Question is are there players in the Knights good enough watching the u/20s Newell at TH has not impressed nor Mcleod maybe Grace could step up not sure about Burke or Gilbert either thats from a Crusaders region perspective. Seems to be a bigger drop off this season of quality in the u/20s which is a worry.
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2019:
Some Interesting Recruitment needed for 2020 by the Crusaders they will need to find replacements for
Owen Franks
Sam Whitelock
Kieran Read
Jordan Taufua
Ryan. Crotty
and maybe Matt Todd,Luke Romeno and Tim BatemanWorst case scenario that we lose all those players - we'll be trading our Rolls Royce pack in for a Honda.
Moody, Taylor, Alaalatoa, Barrett, Strange, Sanders, Harmon, Douglas
Perry, Makalio, Jager, Dunshea, Blackadder
It's OK, but most teams won't lose sleep over it. Think we need to retain Todd and Romano.
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@Chris-B especially losing that much experience Todd and Romano would be great to keep hold of.
Tamati Williams I noticed played on TH side for NZ U/20's V Japan so may shape up as a Franks replacement being able to play both sides.Hes a big unit and looks able to handle himself. -
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2019:
Who pays for the Crusaders academy funding? Is it financed by NZ rugby? If so, I find that whole episode really strange.
It's no different to the multitude of non-NZ players who've represented Super Rugby teams since 1996 and been paid by the NZRU. The academy is a shared resource but if you allocated a share by player it's probably more expensive to pay a contract. A few off the top of my head below.
Fa'atau
Decrezceni
Caucau
D Ioane
Tanaka
The English lock who came to Canterbury and the Chiefs poached, circa 2012
Vunipola
Nadolo
Ardron
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@shark said in Crusaders 2019:
Decrezceni
Caucau
D Ioane
Tanaka
The English lock who came to Canterbury and the Chiefs poached, circa 2012
Vunipola
Nadolo
Ardronpretty sure Debreczeni can play for NZ though (born in Auckland) and if he werent made of glass, given the names being thrown around when D-Mac went down, his name mighta been thrown about too....
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I see that argument but feel like it is different to an academy, which should be purely about development of NZ talent.
I could be wrong, but I think some of those examples (or at least some others from the Chiefs at least) are funded by cooperative agreements.
Also, he's not a PI player - he's an Australian. There's no development of the 2nd tier argument to be made either.
At best, it's an attempted poach; at worst, it's pissing away money to develop an Aussie player.
Now, if the money is the Crusaders alone; that's fine. However, if it's funded by NZ rugby, somebody should have to explain that investment.
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@gt12 said in Crusaders 2019:
I see that argument but feel like it is different to an academy, which should be purely about development of NZ talent.
I could be wrong, but I think some of those examples (or at least some others from the Chiefs at least) are funded by cooperative agreements.
Also, he's not a PI player - he's an Australian. There's no development of the 2nd tier argument to be made either.
At best, it's an attempted poach; at worst, it's pissing away money to develop an Aussie player.
Now, if the money is the Crusaders alone; that's fine. However, if it's funded by NZ rugby, somebody should have to explain that investment.
If it's NZRU money, how is itr any different to paying James Haskell, Tyler Ardron etc? Playing Super rugby here is going to be as beneficial - if not moreso - to a guys' development as being in an academy. At least if a guy has been in an academy, someone has thought at some stage that they might play for NZ.
