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Nepia

Was good of Canterbury to develop the Brumbies and Australian talent for them.

Chris B.

@Nepia said in Crusaders 2019:

Was good of Canterbury to develop the Brumbies and Australian talent for them.

Some discussion on Frost back on page 3 and 4 of this thread.

Stargazer

So Frost has only spent one of this three-year academy contract in Chch before going back to Oz. Typical example of a young kid not being patient. It could have been worse, like buggering off to Oz after finishing his 3-year contract.

KiwiMurph

Crusaders had to know this was always on the cards to happen - doesn't the bloke's old man work for Rugby Australia or something.

SammyC

He's not that good, if he was we'd have fought harder to keep him.

shark

He was here for about five minutes so probably didn't soak up a helluva lot. Whatever he had soaked up didn't help him make any sort of impact either. He'll probably be about as good for Aussie rugby as that other prodigy Will Skelton.

gt12

Who pays for the Crusaders academy funding? Is it financed by NZ rugby? If so, I find that whole episode really strange.

shark

@gt12 said in Crusaders 2019:

Who pays for the Crusaders academy funding? Is it financed by NZ rugby? If so, I find that whole episode really strange.

It's no different to the multitude of non-NZ players who've represented Super Rugby teams since 1996 and been paid by the NZRU. The academy is a shared resource but if you allocated a share by player it's probably more expensive to pay a contract. A few off the top of my head below.

Fa'atau
Decrezceni
Caucau
D Ioane
Tanaka
The English lock who came to Canterbury and the Chiefs poached, circa 2012
Vunipola
Nadolo
Ardron
Haskell

taniwharugby

@shark said in Crusaders 2019:

Decrezceni
Caucau
D Ioane
Tanaka
The English lock who came to Canterbury and the Chiefs poached, circa 2012
Vunipola
Nadolo
Ardron

pretty sure Debreczeni can play for NZ though (born in Auckland) and if he werent made of glass, given the names being thrown around when D-Mac went down, his name mighta been thrown about too....

shark

How about my spelling bahahaha

gt12

@shark

I see that argument but feel like it is different to an academy, which should be purely about development of NZ talent.

I could be wrong, but I think some of those examples (or at least some others from the Chiefs at least) are funded by cooperative agreements.

Also, he's not a PI player - he's an Australian. There's no development of the 2nd tier argument to be made either.

At best, it's an attempted poach; at worst, it's pissing away money to develop an Aussie player.

Now, if the money is the Crusaders alone; that's fine. However, if it's funded by NZ rugby, somebody should have to explain that investment.

shark

@gt12 said in Crusaders 2019:

@shark

I see that argument but feel like it is different to an academy, which should be purely about development of NZ talent.

I could be wrong, but I think some of those examples (or at least some others from the Chiefs at least) are funded by cooperative agreements.

Also, he's not a PI player - he's an Australian. There's no development of the 2nd tier argument to be made either.

At best, it's an attempted poach; at worst, it's pissing away money to develop an Aussie player.

Now, if the money is the Crusaders alone; that's fine. However, if it's funded by NZ rugby, somebody should have to explain that investment.

If it's NZRU money, how is itr any different to paying James Haskell, Tyler Ardron etc? Playing Super rugby here is going to be as beneficial - if not moreso - to a guys' development as being in an academy. At least if a guy has been in an academy, someone has thought at some stage that they might play for NZ.

Chris

Nick Frost was not up to playing for the Crusaders they where happy to let him go as they don't want him next year. Cya when we smash the Brumbies next season.

98blueandgold

Yeah Frost struggled to start for his club side so was not really going to hang round.

Higgins

@98blueandgold And in the meantime kept a local promising player out of the academy.

Chris

https://crusaders.co.nz/news/1340-squad-named-to-travel-to-south-africa

Cyclops

@Chris said in Crusaders 2019:

https://crusaders.co.nz/news/1340-squad-named-to-travel-to-south-africa

So no Jordan, Enari, Funnell or Cameron. Hunt seems to be preferred again. Last ditch effort to re-sign him?

Chris

Could be, no Strange either, Dunshea instead interesting maybe the same reason.Not Keen on Whitelock travelling latter does that mean only playing the 2nd Game V Stormers

Crazy Horse

I am guessing no Jordan because of his injury? Didn't see the game last night. What did he injure?

Stargazer

@Crazy-Horse Foot or ankle.

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