All Blacks v France Test #2
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@booboo the French centre reckons it was partly BBs fault....
Doumayrou conceded it was "the straight application of the regulation" but felt the match officials should have taken into account that there had been "a fault of the All Blacks" with Fall "unbalanced" while challenging for the ball.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Geez no one better get hurt or TJP is going to be the worlds most annoying flanker.
Was thinking Ngani to the side of the scrum ...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@booboo the French centre reckons it was partly BBs fault....
Doumayrou conceded it was "the straight application of the regulation" but felt the match officials should have taken into account that there had been "a fault of the All Blacks" with Fall "unbalanced" while challenging for the ball.
ABDS
Mind you someone said he ran into a shoulder prior to. Maybe that's what he means?
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@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@canefan said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
That sending off is correct under the rules but bloody harsh. The player is in a position to catch the ball, he just doesn't put himself in danger by jumping in the air. Meanwhile Beauden jumps on top of him and gets away with nothing.
What drugs are you on? Beaudy was in the air when Fall arrived.
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Shit Cane gonna go for that
Lucky Parra didn't land on his head.
Huh? That's exactly my point. Beauden puts himself in a dangerous position. If Beauden wasn't there jumping at his head, the French player would have caught the ball. So it makes no sense to say he wasn't in a position to catch it. Rugby should just ban jumping for the ball if it is so inherently dangerous.
You might want to rephrase what you're saying. Beaudy was already there and in the air, not jumping at Fall's head.
He put himself in a position where his body could hit Fall's head.
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@hydro11 said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
That sending off is correct under the rules but bloody harsh. The player is in a position to catch the ball, he just doesn't put himself in danger by jumping in the air. Meanwhile Beauden jumps on top of him and gets away with nothing.
What drugs are you on? Beaudy was in the air when Fall arrived.
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Shit Cane gonna go for that
Lucky Parra didn't land on his head.
Huh? That's exactly my point. Beauden puts himself in a dangerous position. If Beauden wasn't there jumping at his head, the French player would have caught the ball. So it makes no sense to say he wasn't in a position to catch it. Rugby should just ban jumping for the ball if it is so inherently dangerous.
You might want to rephrase what you're saying. Beaudy was already there and in the air, not jumping at Fall's head.
Beauden put himself in that position though. Of course Beauden was going for the ball, as was Fall.
I think you need to look at rhe replay again. Are you saying it's BBs fault that he can jump early and high?
I'm saying that Fall was red carded for putting Barrett in a dangerous position because a player in the air gets protection. I don't see why that should be the case. If going into the air is so dangerous, why are players allowed to do it? It is completely arbitrary. You could easily look at it the other way. It is the player in the air who put the player in the ground in a dangerous position.
It is also laughable to say that Fall was not in a position to catch the ball. If Barrett wasn't there it would have fallen into his mits.
I say again: "And?"
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Arse throw from Harris
Where's Aumua?
Or Coltman ... or Makaleo (sp?) ...
Or even Funnell ...Harris looking like he wants out of the ABs.
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@donsteppa said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
TJ surprised at a card finally being given. Gobby halfback colleague Marshall also surprised..
I'm not 100% on this but did he have a right to pick that up as tackler or does he have to go back through the gate now? That law changed didn't it?
So pen (therefore YC) was correct this year but tough last year?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@gunner said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Really really tough card, there was no ruck there.
TJP knows - he has to come back around through the gate to contest as the tackler. They've played like that all year.
Thanks ... just need to keep reading the thread
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@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Bloody hell Harris needs to have a rest - who's next cab off the rank - Coltman? Makalio?
Great minds
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TJP just played to his ranking. AS was shit so it stands to reason that the second string has to be shitter.
A lot of the rubbish we dished up stemmed from AS having one of the worst games I have seen from him. It was like he had just just come out of the disabled dunnies at Wellington Airport after a Shag and was dreading the morning papers.
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@no-quarter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@tim said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
These are the worst All Black loose forwards since 2002.
Astounding that Akira can't get a gig given the lack of quality.
Hear hear
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@mokey said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
So who leaves this game with head held high? Jordie Barrett? ALB? Can't really think of anyone else who has been overall good.
DMac
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@crucial said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
TJP just played to his ranking. AS was shit so it stands to reason that the second string has to be shitter.
A lot of the rubbish we dished up stemmed from AS having one of the worst games I have seen from him. It was like he had just just come out of the disabled dunnies at Wellington Airport after a Shag and was dreading the morning papers.
It’s odd as he has been on fire this Super season. I guess his forwards last night having a poor game didn’t help.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@booboo the French centre reckons it was partly BBs fault....
Doumayrou conceded it was "the straight application of the regulation" but felt the match officials should have taken into account that there had been "a fault of the All Blacks" with Fall "unbalanced" while challenging for the ball.
Was going to wait until tomorrow, but had a few so what the hell.
ALB certainly helped Fall to his final destination quicker than he expected.
Not a legal person but I think that's what the Americans call an 'Accesory After The Fact'
Nothing Fall could have done to avoid the collision with BB
Fall was focussed on the ball the whole time, as was BB
Many have commented that Fall would never have made the catch.
It could be argued that BB knew the only way he could make the catch was to leap above the oncoming player and put himself at the mercy of the collision.
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@MiketheSnow Fall could have avoided the collision by checking his run. The current laws have actually outlawed "only having eyes on the ball". They've mandated that players must be more aware when chasing high balls. And that's what he was doing - chasing, whereas Beauden was fielding the kick. The duty of care is on the chaser.
They did that to stop players clattering into their opposition while staring at the sky and then claiming innocence.
I don't for a second believe Fall intentionally tried to injure Beauden. But as it stands Beauden landed on his head and was concussed.
And you can bet your ass next time Fall is chasing a high ball like that he will check his run and avoid the collision, which is exactly the behaviour WR is trying to encourage with this.
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@mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@booboo the French centre reckons it was partly BBs fault....
Doumayrou conceded it was "the straight application of the regulation" but felt the match officials should have taken into account that there had been "a fault of the All Blacks" with Fall "unbalanced" while challenging for the ball.
Was going to wait until tomorrow, but had a few so what the hell.
ALB certainly helped Fall to his final destination quicker than he expected.
Not a legal person but I think that's what the Americans call an 'Accesory After The Fact'
Nothing Fall could have done to avoid the collision with BB
Fall was focussed on the ball the whole time, as was BB
Many have commented that Fall would never have made the catch.
It could be argued that BB knew the only way he could make the catch was to leap above the oncoming player and put himself at the mercy of the collision.
So he couldn't have turned his eyes in the general direction he was running and realised he was going to be beaten to the ball and pulled out? How did all the other players in the match manage to properly judge aerial contests then?
Its a pretty simple situation. Time your run right and get in the air to properly contest or pull out and wait for the guy to safely land. Blindly running to where the ball is going to land and being surprised you take out a jumper is not an option.
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@no-quarter I’ve seen matches where two players have accidentally knocked each other and they’re from the same team. What happens if one of them lands funny?
We’re currently using the strongest sanction for something that has way too many variables for an accurate decision of fault. This thread is an example of that, some posters believe he had no chance at getting to the ball and others believe he did.
Like I said earlier, if safety is paramount ban jumping.
The way this is ruled now is starting to remove the competition for the ball - which is one of the key aspects of rugby.
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@nepia Fall was never getting that before BB, peripheral vision helps alot, how did he avoid other players but not be aware of where BB was if he couldnt pull out?
I have no issue with the RC as it was dangerous, however as I said earlier, in an incident like that, I feel that FRance get to send a replacement on after 10/20 mins, but that guy is out of the game.
IMO, RC for the rest of the game should be for punches, kicks, gouges etc, these are different and as such should be treated differently and he will now likely be punished further when he fronts up to the judiciary.
Otherwise as it turned out last night, the French guy was punished, as were the rest of both teams and the millions that chose to watch it.
