All Blacks Squad for France
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@taniwharugby you are missing a prop on the bench. Swap Fifita out for a prop and DMac comes in for Mounga (id pick Mounga).
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@kiwimurph ah I had a question mark in there for 2nd prop and reserve lock before remembering Romano and deleted both question marks.
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With this mounting injury crisis, this series has become probably the most interesting to watch after summarily being shoved into the predictable outcome category. Even as an All Black fan.
No BBBR and Sam Whitelock for the first test. No SBW. No Read. Probably no Cane, no Crotty. Time for this famous depth to turn up because the drop off from our two locks to anyone else is like peering into an abyss.
And a backrow of Ardie, Liam and Luke doesn't imbue me with confidence.
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@antipodean Ardie wont start if Cane is out, surely they'll bring Todd in to start.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@antipodean Ardie wont start if Cane is out, surely they'll bring Todd in to start.
I don't understand the selector's thought process here. Second best openside, don't include him in squad. But if Cane's injured, bring him in and start him. Why not just have him in the squad at the expense of the guy you can't trust to start? What if, touch wood, Cane got injured in the first five minutes..?
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Is Fifita a chance to be starting at lock?
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@antipodean I think they think that Ardie offers more utility value on the bench.
Neither he nor Todd are going to start if Cane is fit, so pick the guy you're more likely to want on the bench - especially when the other guy is just a phone call away.
Our test forward pack is starting to look pretty shaky. Good chance we'll have neither of our gun locks and neither of our gun loosies and our two starting props are going to be undercooked.
If neither Retallick nor Whitelock is available, they'll presumably call in Romano - but, who else? Or will they have Fifita covering lock? They will still presumably need another specialist lock in case someone goes down in the warm up.
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last time we played a loosie who can play lock it broke a record...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
last time we played a loosie who can play lock it broke a record...
More like a loosie who they played at lock.
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taniwharugbyreplied to Magpie_in_aus on 3 Jun 2018, 02:07 last edited by taniwharugby 3 Jun 2018, 02:08
@magpie_in_aus said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
last time we played a loosie who can play lock it broke a record...
More like a loosie who they played at lock.
yeah thats what I meant, last time they played a loosie who can fill in at lock play at lock...given mostly they fill in in the last 20.
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Reminds me of a time they played a fullback at center....
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@magpie_in_aus so last century! (I forgot the other times)
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
last time we played a loosie who can play lock it broke a record...
At least they won't spend the week partying up, and not taking it seriously, because it's a new location and the local team just won the World Series...
...apart from Jordie, obviously!
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@machpants said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
last time we played a loosie who can play lock it broke a record...
At least they won't spend the week partying up, and not taking it seriously, because it's a new location and the local team just won the World Series...
...apart from Jordie, obviously!
First sober person to have 5am Maccas. He's a pioneer.
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@mn5 5am somewhere....well 5.37 right now, but...
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@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
His charmed career continues
You would pick ... who?
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@booboo said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
His charmed career continues
You would pick ... who?
I guess in a roundabout way I'm pointing out that the next cabs off the rank are kinda poor after Whitelock and Retallick.
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@mn5 never really let the ABs down though has he.
BBBR, Whitelock................> Barrett, Romano, Tuipulotu, Franklin, Lousi...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 never really let the ABs down though has he.
BBBR, Whitelock.........> Barrett, Romano, .... Tuipulotu, Franklin, Lousi, Strange ...
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Romano has been a good All Black.
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Scott Robertson just said on Radio Sport that Sam Whitelock was very close to playing last night and he thought Whitelock would be available to play the first test (obviously, following the all clear from the ABs medical staff).
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@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
His charmed career continues
What a load of shit
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@pukunui said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
His charmed career continues
What a load of shit
Settle.
I did explain myself in my next post.
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@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@pukunui said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
His charmed career continues
What a load of shit
Settle.
I did explain myself in my next post.
Still a load of shit. He may not be Whitelock or BBBR but he has solidly been 3rd or 4th behind those guys for a bloody long time and has earnt that spot.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@pukunui said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@mn5 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
His charmed career continues
What a load of shit
Settle.
I did explain myself in my next post.
Still a load of shit. He may not be Whitelock or BBBR but he has solidly been 3rd or 4th behind those guys for a bloody long time and has earnt that spot.
Fair enough but I'm not the first on here to question his ability and selection although as I alluded to the excellence of BR and SW means the next guy picked is always gonna suffer in comparison.
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Retallick injury:
"That injury is, short-term, probably a couple of weeks. Long-term, could be out for the whole season," Hansen told Newstalk ZB's Martin Devlin. "Until we get some imagery and get him up in front of our medical crew [in Auckland] we won't have too much of an idea."
Luke Whitelock:
Fellow starting All Blacks lock Sam Whitelock was also entering the week ahead under an injury cloud as he makes his way back from a concussion, however Hansen was confident the Crusaders lock would play. "He tells me he's ready to go, he's been doing some good training and we expect he'll be fine."
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12063879
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Frankly I would not be broken with a Whitelock-Romano second row
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@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Retallick injury:
"That injury is, short-term, probably a couple of weeks. Long-term, could be out for the whole season," Hansen told Newstalk ZB's Martin Devlin. "Until we get some imagery and get him up in front of our medical crew [in Auckland] we won't have too much of an idea."
Dammit!
LukeSam Whitelock:Thought for a second that another player had gone down. Phew.
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Could this be a left field option considering he was ranked ahead of D Carter?
A versatile player that covers fullback and first five as a bonus
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Squire cleared.
See below to see how they got around it. Looks like bullshit to me.
*"The Foul Play Review Committee found that the Player had legitimately entered the ruck 'through the gate', and not at great speed, with the intent of cleaning out the other Player. The Player had taken up, and held, a correct body position in order to try and effect the clean out, with his upper body and head in a horizontal plane and with both his hands (neither with closed fists) in a position to be able to engage and grapple with the other player around his torso (about the level of the shoulder blades)."
"As the Player entered the ruck, and immediately before he engaged with the other player, that other player was in a head down, bottom up, position facing in the direction of the Player. At the very last moment the other player dropped down on his knees (possibly, in part, as a result of the actions of other players), and brought his upper body, shoulders and head up, directly into the line of the committed Squire.
"The resulting impact between the two, which was not of significant force (and did not require any HIA), was virtually instantaneous. In these circumstances the citing was not made out on the evidence. The player is therefore free to play."*
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12063941
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@gt12 That's an absolute joke. If I ever get on the wrong side of the law, I want Aaron Lloyd to be my lawyer.
I can already hear foreign sports media moaning about one law for the All Blacks, another law for the rest. Geez, you can't even blame them.
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Matt Todd once again from Left Right Out to starting 7. Two locks so Sam still in doubt, or already out. Good to see Franklin get a call, he's been great recently
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@gt12 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Squire cleared.
See below to see how they got around it. Looks like bullshit to me.
*"The Foul Play Review Committee found that the Player had legitimately entered the ruck 'through the gate', and not at great speed, with the intent of cleaning out the other Player. The Player had taken up, and held, a correct body position in order to try and effect the clean out, with his upper body and head in a horizontal plane and with both his hands (neither with closed fists) in a position to be able to engage and grapple with the other player around his torso (about the level of the shoulder blades)."
"As the Player entered the ruck, and immediately before he engaged with the other player, that other player was in a head down, bottom up, position facing in the direction of the Player. At the very last moment the other player dropped down on his knees (possibly, in part, as a result of the actions of other players), and brought his upper body, shoulders and head up, directly into the line of the committed Squire.
"The resulting impact between the two, which was not of significant force (and did not require any HIA), was virtually instantaneous. In these circumstances the citing was not made out on the evidence. The player is therefore free to play."*
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12063941
Wow, this is getting comical now, what a farce.
Good for the ABs i guess but this shit is killing the game. So much for protecting players heads. -
@machpants if you are to believe Razor, SW could have played on Saturday night, therefore good to go next weekend
As for Squire, interesting how in many threads people lamenting how accidental contact to the head is being punished and now calling for punishment in this instance?
Sometimes I think players who are seen as thugs or boof heads people make up their minds automatically on whether it was accidental or deliberate.
On this one, IMO it was borderline, so I give him the benefit of the doubt it was accidental, so I'm comfortable he hasn't been banned, which I know some people will disagree with.
This one isn't too dissimilar to O'Brien on Naholo last year, except Squire didn't break a jaw
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