All Blacks Squad for France
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@mariner4life I agree. JTA and Perry are our next best props? We are thin. 2 good locks and one that can run but is underwhelminig in the physicality you need. Loose forwards? Cane and Fafita but the rest? Tuafua is not an international 8 so he is a 6 and not that imposing. Ardie is a 7 only. Akira, maybe MacDonald the Southerner can help out the Blues, and therefore your chances as an AB.
While our forwards excell in fitness I will be interested in the forward battle with the Boks who seem to be more competitive and physical this year based on their performances against the Kiwi sides. Their backs are playing with a bit more flair as well.
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@98blueandgold said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Ardie can play 8 of the bench which is very important for makeup of team.
This is the bit I don't get. Haven't seen anything to suggest Ardie is effective at the core roles of an 8, just seems convenient because his Super coaches have put him there a few times.
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@sammyc He's bound to after covering his shit team mates virtually all season. No-one's 100% perfect in their play. As has been said though, he's being made to work for it which isn't a terrible thing and I doubt he gonna leave NZ rugby altogether either.
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@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
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@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
More evidence of the Great Anti Cantab Conspiracy (GACC), perpratrated by the media, NZRU and AB coaches, along with random illuminati members on TSF.
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Looking ahead to the 1st test vs France, based on the comments from Hansen, Foster and Fox the only question mark in the backs is who plays between Naholo and J Barrett. That will also determine the makeup of the bench (TJP, DMac and ??).
In the forwards, I expect a starting loose forward trio of Squire, Cane and L Whitelock. Harris, Ofa, Perry/JTA in the reserves with probably S Barrett/Fifita and Savea. The fact that Ardie was mentioned again as cover at no.8 seems to suggest he's likely to be there ahead of Taufua.
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@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
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@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
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Lots of forwards named in that squad I wouldn't be comfortable seeing start in a test. Frizell, Taufua, Barrett, JTA, Perry, Ofa, Savea, Fifita and even L Whitelock to name a few. It just shows that having Super Rugby depth doesn't necessarily mean that you will have a lot of International quality depth.
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@marty said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@98blueandgold said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Ardie can play 8 of the bench which is very important for makeup of team.
This is the bit I don't get. Haven't seen anything to suggest Ardie is effective at the core roles of an 8, just seems convenient because his Super coaches have put him there a few times.
Ardie is not effective at the core roles of a 7 let alone an 8. Shit selection, Todd is miles ahead of him.
Akira missing out is crazy. Hansen has made some pretty stupid selections that smack of arrogance in recent times, and Frizzel (who?) is another. This shit already cost us our unblemished record against Ireland.
Our loose forwards are the most underwhelming I've seen in a very long time. If that's who we are going to put out then England and SA will be licking their lips later in the year.
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@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
Well the selectors obviously don’t hate Canterbury
I’m pretty happy for the 10 crusaders that got picked.I said he’s had other defensive lapses this year too. The highlanders loss recently springs to mind. Christian Cullen pointed out a couple in that game on one of the sky analysis shows.
I’ve said on here before I think Akira can be a great all black.
What’s wrong with making him work for it?
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@no-quarter what about who they select is arrogance?
Surely they want the team to win as well, which means they are selecting the best group they feel can achieve that; arrogance would be deliberately choosing a weak team to show how good you are.
I think Akira would thrive in the AB environment, not having to carry half his team.
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@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
Well the selectors obviously don’t hate Canterbury
I’m pretty happy for the 10 crusaders that got picked.I said he’s had other defensive lapses this year too. The highlanders loss recently springs to mind. Christian Cullen pointed out a couple in that game on one of the sky analysis shows.
I’ve said on here before I think Akira can be a great all black.
> What’s wrong with making him work for it?
Think about that bold ... then have a think about Shannon Frizzell.
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@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Wynne Gray with some cutting insight:
Rugby has changed immensely since the 1987 RWC, the game we thought was fast then is very different from the one we see now.
Christ he's an old bore. He makes Phil Gifford look good.
Looking forward to seeing Frizell play cos I sure as shit haven't thus far.
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@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
Well the selectors obviously don’t hate Canterbury
I’m pretty happy for the 10 crusaders that got picked.I said he’s had other defensive lapses this year too. The highlanders loss recently springs to mind. Christian Cullen pointed out a couple in that game on one of the sky analysis shows.
I’ve said on here before I think Akira can be a great all black.
> What’s wrong with making him work for it?
Think about that bold ... then have a think about Shannon Frizzell.
No problem with what you say there, I haven’t defended Frizells selection at all.
do you need me to discuss every single player selected so you can call bias at me 31 more times?
I’m really stoked for Taufua... he has worked so hard for this.
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@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
Well the selectors obviously don’t hate Canterbury
I’m pretty happy for the 10 crusaders that got picked.I said he’s had other defensive lapses this year too. The highlanders loss recently springs to mind. Christian Cullen pointed out a couple in that game on one of the sky analysis shows.
I’ve said on here before I think Akira can be a great all black.
> What’s wrong with making him work for it?
Think about that bold ... then have a think about Shannon Frizzell.
No problem with what you say there, I haven’t defended Frizells selection at all.
do you need me to discuss every single player selected so you can call bias at me 31 more times?
I’m really stoked for Taufua... he has worked so hard for this.
Are you now pretending that Frizzell hasn't been a part of this discussion on Akira missing out? And furthermore if you're going to suggest a player should 'work for it' why ignore that for another player.
I don't have a problem with the ever growing taller Taufua's selection.
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@stargazer said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Loosies:
Sam Cane (vc), Vaea Fifita, Shannon Frizell (new), Ardie Savea, Liam Squire, Jordan Taufua (new), Luke WhitelockI see a lot of upside to Frizell as well, but the selectors have lost their minds if he, Taufua and Savea get in over Akira.
Akira Ioane also training with squad
Halfbacks:
TJ Perenara, Aaron Smith, Te Toiroa Tahuriorangi (new)Good. The only bit they've got right.
First-fives:
Beauden Barrett, Damian McKenzie, Richie Mo'ungaIf Beaudy gets injured, we're fucked. The other two are so underwhelming you have to wonder if the country has first five-eighths anymore. In fact I'll go further and ask how in the sweet name of christ do they pick DMac after the utter bag of dicks that has been his display in Super Rugby? There's no way that diminutive clown is a Test level game manager.
Midfielders:
Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, Ngani Laumape, Anton Lienert-Brown, Sonny Bill WilliamsSo who's stepping in for Crotty's inevitable injury?
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@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
Well the selectors obviously don’t hate Canterbury
I’m pretty happy for the 10 crusaders that got picked.I said he’s had other defensive lapses this year too. The highlanders loss recently springs to mind. Christian Cullen pointed out a couple in that game on one of the sky analysis shows.
I’ve said on here before I think Akira can be a great all black.
> What’s wrong with making him work for it?
Think about that bold ... then have a think about Shannon Frizzell.
No problem with what you say there, I haven’t defended Frizells selection at all.
do you need me to discuss every single player selected so you can call bias at me 31 more times?
I’m really stoked for Taufua... he has worked so hard for this.
Are you now pretending that Frizzell hasn't been a part of this discussion on Akira missing out? And furthermore if you're going to suggest a player should 'work for it' why ignore that for another player.
I don't have a problem with the ever growing taller Taufua's selection.
I agree with you about frizzell he also should be made to work for it. Stop trying to create an argument with me
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@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@sammyc said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@tim said in All Blacks Squad for France:
@nepia Note that neither of the Ioane's have re-signed with the NZRU yet.
So we should pick Akira because he might throw a tantrum and leave if we don’t?
Not the type of guy I want in the ABs if that’s the case.
Was kind of hoping he didn’t get picked to see the meltdown on here. It hasn’t disappointed
Pretty shit defensive effort by Akira to let Bryn hall score last night, he’s had a few lapses like that this year
Yawn, if you want to pretend that Akira hasn't been one of the best players this 'season' not just last night, and that Shannon Frizzell has then go for you life.
I thought you'd be more disappointed that the in form Matt Todd is omitted for the hopelessly out of form Savea TBH.
Bring it back to a Canterbury thing again mate. Like you guys do with stargazer every time. Enjoy the cheap likes from all the regulars.
Get over yourself, you came blustering onto this thread on the troll with nothing constructive, just a mention of one missed tackle last night, just so you could give shit to fans of one player and now you're claiming woe is me everybody hates Canterbury.
Well the selectors obviously don’t hate Canterbury
I’m pretty happy for the 10 crusaders that got picked.I said he’s had other defensive lapses this year too. The highlanders loss recently springs to mind. Christian Cullen pointed out a couple in that game on one of the sky analysis shows.
I’ve said on here before I think Akira can be a great all black.
> What’s wrong with making him work for it?
Think about that bold ... then have a think about Shannon Frizzell.
No problem with what you say there, I haven’t defended Frizells selection at all.
do you need me to discuss every single player selected so you can call bias at me 31 more times?
I’m really stoked for Taufua... he has worked so hard for this.
Are you now pretending that Frizzell hasn't been a part of this discussion on Akira missing out? And furthermore if you're going to suggest a player should 'work for it' why ignore that for another player.
I don't have a problem with the ever growing taller Taufua's selection.
I agree with you about frizzell he also should be made to work for it. Stop trying to create an argument with me
Give it a rest, your first post in this thread was designed to kick off an argument.
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@akan004 said in All Blacks Squad for France:
Lots of forwards named in that squad that I wouldn't be comfortable seeing start in a test. Frizell, Taufua, Barrett, JTA, Perry, Ofa, Savea, Fifita and even L Whitelock to name a few. It just shows that having Super Rugby depth doesn't necessarily mean that you will have a lot of International quality depth.
To be fair, we've got a fair few injuries - Hames and Laulala would be significant upgrades on the two props selected. It will be interesting if Franks goes for a skate, who the next tighthead off the rank will be - Ta'avao?
In the loose forwards, losing Read and Kaino (permanently) is always going to create a bit of a gap, so it's no surprise that we look a bit weak there.
What is concerning is that lots of these players have got two "near test match" intensity derbies to play - and then three tests - attrition will certainly test our depth.
