Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@rapido said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I actually think it will be pretty easy to find that line. Just imagine the stump-mic is on the whole time. (as it sometimes is). Don't start guerilla-advertising to point out that the broadcaster is supposed to turn it down so that you can run your mouth off. Instead sledge in a way that will be acceptable if picked up by the mic.
So don't threaten to break someones arm or comment on the attractiveness of female family members.
Do talk about, put doubt in the batsmen's head about technique, conversion rates, bravery, pitch conditions, fatigue etc
I think it's easy in theory, but there are still grey areas. And 'acceptable' sledging is very hard to define.
Just one example - are players allowed to swear? Maybe not in the context of 'shit shot you fkn cnt', but what about an exasperated 'fuck' from a tired fast bowler if an edge flies through the slips?
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If I were in charge, I'd give umpires far greater power to police on-field behaviour.
One of the reason problems like this don't happen in rugby is because of effective refereeing. If there's a bit of niggle in the game and things are about to kick off, a good ref will take aside both captains and try and calm the situation.
In cricket that rarely happens. The umpires are there to count to six, give the occasional LBW and that's about it.
I can't help but think that a stronger on-field disciplinary system could have prevented a number of ugly incidents before they even happened (eg the actions of both Warner and Rabada).
Maybe that means bringing in a yellow-card system, or taking 5 runs off an offending side while the game is in play. I'd suggest that would be a far greater penalty than the current fines based on match fees.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Just one example - are players allowed to swear? Maybe not in the context of 'shit shot you fkn cnt', but what about an exasperated 'fuck' from a tired fast bowler if an edge flies through the slips?
Take a leaf from Rugby. The odd 'fark' from a bowler is OK, but you don't see anyone in Rugby running in to f-bomb opposition.
Also, just re-read the Sprit of Cricket. It's pretty clear - don't direct abusive language towards an opponent or umpire. So, get in their head, talk about them, but just don't directly abuse them. There will be a 'line' somewhere, but it sure as shit will be a long way away from where the Aussie team drew it previously.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@rapido said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I actually think it will be pretty easy to find that line. Just imagine the stump-mic is on the whole time. (as it sometimes is). Don't start guerilla-advertising to point out that the broadcaster is supposed to turn it down so that you can run your mouth off. Instead sledge in a way that will be acceptable if picked up by the mic.
So don't threaten to break someones arm or comment on the attractiveness of female family members.
Do talk about, put doubt in the batsmen's head about technique, conversion rates, bravery, pitch conditions, fatigue etc
I think it's easy in theory, but there are still grey areas. And 'acceptable' sledging is very hard to define.
Just one example - are players allowed to swear? Maybe not in the context of 'shit shot you fkn cnt', but what about an exasperated 'fuck' from a tired fast bowler if an edge flies through the slips?
The mic is already on when edges are flying. No change needed there. Players already self regulate and are much more restrained than park cricketers.
I think it is pretty easy, if they're deliberately testing the stump mic then I think they know the line already.
I don't want a sterile Aussie cricket team. Go hard I say, but without any nasty personal stuff you want hidden from the mic. They probably managed to do that successfully for a 140 years.
But like the NZ v Pak test when Phil Hughes died, I would expect the weird 'how are we supposed to behave?' phase will pass quickly. Australia will revert to verbals, sledging. And that's fine. They'll just need to work out where the line is.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
dont mind me, just a little art project of mine, coming through...
You could fill that with hundreds of pictures of Aus politicians. Those fuckers put actors to shame with their ridiculous crocodile tears.
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@kiwimurph said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Australia absolutely destroyed in the first session to lose by 492 runs. Phillander on fire.
We now go ahead of the Aussies in the rankings apparently.
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@kiwimurph said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Australia absolutely destroyed in the first session to lose by 492 runs. Phillander on fire.
"Injured"
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@sidbarret its good to see a chippy Saffer on here. You sorted your shit out after a very ordinary showing in the first test, and reaped the rewards of some good cricket.
Let's hope Rabada's brain explosions are kept to a minimum in future OR that he manages to set a record for most number of reports before actually being banned! That would be a sight to see.
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@nta said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@sidbarret its good to see a chippy Saffer on here. You sorted your shit out after a very ordinary showing in the first test, and reaped the rewards of some good cricket.
Let's hope Rabada's brain explosions are kept to a minimum in future OR that he manages to set a record for most number of reports before actually being banned! That would be a sight to see.
You mean they sorted their shit out after Australia stopped using sandpaper to polish the ball?
Im sure Rabada is a good bloke off the field and knows where the line is.
This is fun.
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12025434
I don't think this is even rock bottom. Now the tour is over the media will focus on the players' appeal of the CA sentences, and Davey will contemplate how much money he can get by nuking his ties to CA and lifting the lid on matters inside the team. Cricket Oz are getting their just desserts. You raise this guy to be your attack dog, you encourage him to be that guy then when you kneecap him and try to make him the scapegoat for the entire fiasco he turns on you instead of quietly disappearing. What did they think would happen?
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The reason for my chippiness is that I found the whole whinge fest about SA's second innings to be a crock of shit. People were calling for a declaration not because they thought it was the best way to win the game but because they were bored because they wasn't competitive.
The game not being competitive because by the fourth test Australia was a bit shit.
Were the SA bowlers injured? Probably not much, but 4 tests in 33 days were taking its toll on both teams. Australia would want to have a look at their fast bowling depth after this series. Starc wasn't right after the first test and should probably have been tested for the second and third tests, but Bird and Sayers failed to impress so there is a slot open in the greater squad going forward.
Did Fat do the right thing to bat on on day four, hindsight suggests he did and the rest it afforded the SA bowlers and the fatigue of Ozzie bats contributed to an absolute towelling.
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@sidbarret important to note that all whinging or complaining about the declaration raises some valid points re spectator appeal
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Any dissonance is completely trumped and rendered hot air by the longstanding cricket maxim that you can bat how you want (within the laws of course) and if the fielding team don't like it, tough shit, bowl 'em out.
Respect of opponents occurs when you're losing too, SK Warne ( fuck he was prattling on like last week never happened)
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
We've heard the "spirit of cricket" thing before. And it lasts as long as the results do. As you say, if the loses start against India (of all fucking teams) then the drums are going to beat, and the leashes will be off. Snarling fast bowlers might be the most iconic Aussie sporting icon. Muzzled ones will only last as long as the wickets do.
True. I think defining 'the line' would be a good start.
But the problems run much deeper. In Australia, cricket just isn't a game where you have a beer and a laugh with the opposition after a game. Not at club level, not at district level, not at any level. It's the polar opposite to rugby in that regard.
The toughness, the sledging, the hard edge is bred in at a very young age. So expecting people to turn away from it when they get to the pinnacle of the game is completely misguided.
Any changes have to be broad and systemic, touching all parts of the game.
I fear you may be over-complicating this.
Giving up the obsession and self-proclaimed custody of the line is the start and end of it really.
There is no appetite to remove the agro or mongrel from the Australian sporting psyche. Australians don’t want it and as an opposition fan I sure as hell don’t want it.
By all means keep the aggressive, front running, cocky, won’t have drinks after the game attitude. That is Australia’s go. The players simply shut up and stop proselytizing and complaining.
By the same token I don't really like the praise NZ is getting for being the bastion of fair play and sportsmanship. We shouldn't want that mantle and it's only setting us up for a fall.
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@sidbarret said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
The reason for my chippiness is that I found the whole whinge fest about SA's second innings to be a crock of shit. People were calling for a declaration not because they thought it was the best way to win the game but because they were bored because they wasn't competitive.
Faf did exactly the right thing IMO. A series win against Australia in his hands - why wouldn't you just bat them out of the game. Exactly what I would have done. Steve Waugh would've too.
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@rotated said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
By the same token I don't really like the praise NZ is getting for being the bastion of fair play and sportsmanship. We shouldn't want that mantle and it's only setting us up for a fall.
Agreed. People will judge you by the parameters you set, as interpreted by them. Better to just be nice rather than say that's how you want to play.
@nta said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Let's hope Rabada's brain explosions are kept to a minimum in future OR that he manages to set a record for most number of reports before actually being banned! That would be a sight to see.
I just don't understand the need to send a batsman off. You've taken his wicket, treat him with contempt and ignore him.
