Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@nta I'm convinced the CA sentence was harsh to placate the sponsors. They're by far the significant party to us watching and "consuming" sport. More pivotal than the players in this modern age.
It's all connected to the media exaggerations because the mouth breathers that support the media shrill are exactly the demographic who the sponsors call consumers.
CA now have a genuine negotiation chip with the punitive measures they've taken and the cricket argument in their sentences falls way behind "being seen to do the right thing".
As for the over the top media coverage, it ain't over the top if you don't subject yourself to it. That tactic has been working splendidly for me for several years - you do find yourself at parties saying " what's that story?" a lot though 🙂
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@jegga said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I don’t follow cricket or know much about it but I feel confident saying this guy is a prize fluffybunny.
Lasted 30s. So don't know what he said.
However I'm confident that based on him being a "Youtuber" who purports to have a weekly "show" that you're probably right.
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Perhaps what this whole saga is really all about:
"We can learn that the game needs to calm down. I wrote in the Wisden Almanack this year that the tone of the game is in need of a serious retuning... Removing the lip, that negative intent, is what we can learn. By all means bowl bouncers with skill and precision, but take out the angst and hate, the sledging and the media barbs, and just go out and express your version of your courage and skill for your team. Show the youth of today the right way to play the game respectfully, hard and fair. The game has turned too lippy, too edgy. Let's chill a bit in general, as a good lesson and reminder, to keep the game authentic."
Martin Crowe, November 29, 2014
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Easy to forget if Warner and co had managed to get away with this and done it again (and again) and it was successful
Their cheating could have ended careers.
Their mental disintegration approach has been incredibly ruthless, it has ended several careers.
The English alone have lost several high profile players who went from being very successful to a shadow of their former selves. They have taken much delight and glee from breaking down other teams. ( Jonathon Trott anyone?)
That gets all forgotten about when they hold a press conference and bawl their eyes out.They have brought this on themselves.
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
If Warner is this massive cancer he is being made out to be, then why has he been allowed to be very vocal, and very public, with his attitudes up to now? And often with the public backing of his team?
I think he's a bit of a fluffybunny. But then I've always thought that, and I've been vocal about it.
I'm just a little perplexed how quickly he's been painted as the real villain, and someone who categorically needs removing from the team. Something doesn't seem right to me.
Kane publicly vouched for him. Maybe he was just being polite, but he didn't have to. Regarding the way the Aussies conduct themselves, and Martin Crowe's comments, contrast how we behaved in the final innings of the last test. We were combative, we bowled with real menace, and there was even a bit of anger and verbal from Boult. There is still room for it if it's not taken too far
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The scrutiny of past acts was always going to happen.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12020357
" an innocent way of a player taking an energy boost on the field in hot, strength-sapping conditions."
Really?
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@snowy said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
The scrutiny of past acts was always going to happen.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12020357
" an innocent way of a player taking an energy boost on the field in hot, strength-sapping conditions."
Really?
I've never eaten pure sugar out of my pocket..... 🤔
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@snowy said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@canefan said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I've never eaten pure sugar out of my pocket.....
No. Neither have I.
Mr Bancroft might be onto something? Maybe we should try it when we get a bit tired?
Bancroft's heartfelt apology might lose some impact in the wake of this footage. It was meant to be a one off or so they said....
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The reaction of current and former players to Warner on twitter has been notably different to the other two all week
I was playing for England against Australia in a one-day international in Sydney and I had just been dismissed for a second-ball duck, lbw to Mitchell Starc. As I was walking off, head down, David Warner charged over and screamed abuse in my face.
I don’t need to repeat what he said, but that story from 2015 is enough to explain why a lot of cricketers around the world have little or no sympathy after hearing Warner had been suspended for 12 months. Many of them will feel this is a classic case of cricketing karma. As soon as you get personal on the field, you will find yourself with enemies.
'Smith and Warner used to mock opponents — many will feel it is karma'
I was playing for England against Australia in a one-day international in Sydney and I had just been dismissed for a second-ball duck, lbw to Mitchell Starc. As I was walking off, head down, David Warner charged over and screamed abuse in my face.
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@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
People feeling sorry for this team should reacquaint themselves with our innings in the 2015 CWC final.
Haddin in particular was a grade A fluffybunny that day. They were so much better than us in that match, there was no need for the vitriol
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@donsteppa said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
The reaction of current and former players to Warner on twitter has been notably different to the other two all week
I was playing for England against Australia in a one-day international in Sydney and I had just been dismissed for a second-ball duck, lbw to Mitchell Starc. As I was walking off, head down, David Warner charged over and screamed abuse in my face.
I don’t need to repeat what he said, but that story from 2015 is enough to explain why a lot of cricketers around the world have little or no sympathy after hearing Warner had been suspended for 12 months. Many of them will feel this is a classic case of cricketing karma. As soon as you get personal on the field, you will find yourself with enemies.
'Smith and Warner used to mock opponents — many will feel it is karma'
I was playing for England against Australia in a one-day international in Sydney and I had just been dismissed for a second-ball duck, lbw to Mitchell Starc. As I was walking off, head down, David Warner charged over and screamed abuse in my face.
Thanks for posting that. I was beginning to feel sorry for them ...
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@canefan said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
People feeling sorry for this team should reacquaint themselves with our innings in the 2015 CWC final.
Haddin in particular was a grade A fluffybunny that day. They were so much better than us in that match, there was no need for the vitriol
Only that day?
He was like that every day I saw him play.
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@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Easy to forget if Warner and co had managed to get away with this and done it again (and again) and it was successful
Their cheating could have ended careers.
Their mental disintegration approach has been incredibly ruthless, it has ended several careers.
The English alone have lost several high profile players who went from being very successful to a shadow of their former selves. They have taken much delight and glee from breaking down other teams. ( Jonathon Trott anyone?)
That gets all forgotten about when they hold a press conference and bawl their eyes out.They have brought this on themselves.
Exactly. Fuck them all and their X Factor bawling
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@virgil said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Smart move by Warner to face the media for the first time with his wife and girls
Hard to kick him further when he’s holding one of his little girls.I hate him even more for that. He's effectively using them as a shield. Cowardly tosser.
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@majorrage said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Absolutely magnificent PR by team Smith.
Perfection.
You'll fall for anything.
Here's what should have been said
'As Aussies we're raised to be winners.
But I lost sight of our values and resorted to winning at any cost.
For that I will be enternally sorry.
I accept my punishment and if I ever get another chance to represent my country I will do so to the best of my ability, within the rules, win lose or draw."
Exit stage left.
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@mariner4life said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Lehman goes.
Real talk, I've had a bit of fun with this over the last couple of days, it's been a good bit of chat about a sporting controversy.
But Jesus Christ this is fucking ridiculous. I fucking feel for all of them now, even warner. It's fucking ball tampering, not match fixing. Get a grip.
I don't get the sanctimony in the aussie press at all. Suddenly the "hard edge" is a stick to beat them with, but was celebrated not a couple of months ago. Get fucked.
I guess I'm not surprised at the severity of the sentences - I thought it would be either six months or a year.
I follow your point comparing ball tampering with match fixing, but in my mind they're somewhat in the same ballpark (not the crazy dismissals of that video a month or so ago where a whole team is throwing the match), but the Hansie Cronje/ Lou Vincent type of fixing where a couple of guys in a team are conscripted to throw their wickets away. Main difference is that the Aussies were doing it for the team not for their direct personal enrichment.
Maybe it's closer (ballpark) to having several players in a rugby team caught using PEDs. Basically it's premeditated cheating to try to give your team a significant advantage. As someone points out above, the immediate follow-up (tape rather than sandpaper, etc) wasn't flash either.
I can understand the anger in Oz as well. It's a bit like if a group of ABs were caught using PEDs - it kind of invalidates some of what has gone before and some of what will happen in the future - at least in terms of internet/media "banter". Every time the Aussies win, there will be "check the ball" comments somewhere. I'd be fucking furious if it was the ABs or the Black Caps.
And to avoid calls of naivety - I'd already be amazed if there had never been a single AB who has used PEDs - and the same goes for every other major international team.
Years ago I worked for a bank and probably knew/knew of about 300 various staff, of whom nine were sacked for fingers in the till. There's a proportion of cheats in the population.
