Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This article sums up my feelings pretty neatly:
Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?
Ball-tampering happens in cricket, so why has what Australia did in Cape Town been decried so vehemently at home? The answer lies in the role sport plays in the identity of the nation
Geez mate your making it hard for us fair dinkum kiwis to hate all of you cheat'n mongrel ozzies.
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@antipodean said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I'm convinced the tone would be markedly different had they won and the footage came out afterwards. It wouldn't be anywhere near as hysterical.
Hmmm I don't know. If Australia had won it might have been worse, given you could actually point to them getting a result from their underhanded shenanigans.
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@barbarian indeed.
So what you are saying is they deliberately got themselves rolled in the 2nd dig to take the heat off?
Is their no end to their transgressions?
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Just read this article by Clementine Ford for the SMH. She makes some great points in terms of the national hysteria about this scandal (including one fuckface who called this Cricket's #MeToo moment WTAF) and how this is in no way Australian sports darkest day.
Was this really sport's darkest day?
A cricket cheating scandal is no small thing, but there have been worse days for Australian sport.
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Not sure if you guys got it, but last time there was a "Australian Sport's Darkest Day" we had politicians and senior cops spinning a story about widespread corruption, gambling irregularities, and drug taking.
The result? Essendon eventually got "done" for injecting their players with funny stuff. But only after about 5 different court cases. Cronulla got their players suspended for about a fortnight. And fuck all else.
But the heat got taken off the Government for 10 minutes.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@antipodean said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I'm convinced the tone would be markedly different had they won and the footage came out afterwards. It wouldn't be anywhere near as hysterical.
Hmmm I don't know. If Australia had won it might have been worse, given you could actually point to them getting a result from their underhanded shenanigans.
The noise coming from South Africa would be worse.
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@crucial said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@booboo said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Top troll from Broad ...
Broad, speaking after the fourth day of the first Test against New Zealand in Auckland, said: “I saw Steve Smith in his press conference say it’s the first time they’ve tried it, which to me seems really surprising they’ve changed a method that’s been working.
“Look at the Ashes series we’ve just played, look through all of those Test matches and they reverse swing the ball sometimes in conditions you wouldn’t expect the ball to reverse. So I don’t understand why they’ve changed their method for this one game?”
Interesting comments coming out of SA that they too had suspicions due to how quick the Convicts were getting reverse. So much so that they asked the camera guys to hunt it out. Seems it isn't quite as easy to spot as we all suspect and it took a fair bit of patience to catch them.
I think I read somewhere that it was Fanie de Villiers (former SA seamer) rather than the team itself, although whether he got the suggestion from the team or they got it from him, who knows.
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@magpie_in_aus said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@mokey sorry couldnt bring myself to clicking on Fords stuff. She is a vile. The feminist version of Rattue
Clementine "It's not really rape if its refugees doing it" Ford..Rattue is a Saint in comparison..and I can't stand the prick.
..not that this should become a political thread also...
Anyone else just get the nagging feeling that Cricket maybe isn't really up to the modern day increasingly sanitised overly technological environment we're currently in? I don't know if crowd numbers are indicative of a growing lack of interest in the game.
I've been very surprised by the lack of interest in Oz since I've been here, would have thought this would be a bit of a cricket stronghold, or maybe that's just Victoria being weird again.
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@rembrandt said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I've been very surprised by the lack of interest in Oz
what? where have you been? We've just come off an Ashes summer, where England barely turned up, but the crowds were huge. And at the same time the Big Bash was played to pretty handy TV and in-person crowds. There is still huge interest in cricket in this country
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@mariner4life Not a word said at work and only my Kiwi mates here had any interest, could be just a Melbourne thing of course but I found it pretty weird.
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The MCG Boxing Day crowd was massive. And they still got nearly 50K to the Stars v Renegades BBL game. Victoria still loves its cricket.
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@sidbarret there was a glorious piece of reverse swing bowling by Starc and Hazelwood in the 2nd innings of the first test that unfortunately has me wondering now.
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@siam said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@sidbarret there was a glorious piece of reverse swing bowling by Starc and Hazelwood in the 2nd innings of the first test that unfortunately has me wondering now.
That's a big part of the issue IMO. So much opportunity for "I wonder if they were doing it then..."
Michael Vaughan has come out and said he was "pretty sure" it went on during the Ashes series.
It puts doubt in the mind. A bit like Stuart Broad's 169 against Pakiistan. There will always be a "were they trying to lose"?
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@Catogrande I was wondering how the hell he had a HS of 169. "Pakistan" clears that up - cheers.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@sidbarret said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I am just really struggling to understand vitriol that is being directed at the team. They cheated, they got caught, it is embarrassing, but fuck’in hell, the sun is going to come up tomorrow and little Johnny down by the oval is still going to want to play for Australia.
Sid I think this statement could be applied to more than just the Australian public.
At times like this social media becomes an absolute cesspool, and I've seen some pretty disgusting statements from people of all stripes.
Calls for lifetime bans (out of India and South Africa, mainly) are patently absurd. The shrill hysteria is becoming a little bit much.
Barbs I actually welcome all the media attention for this issue.
The internet generation might learn why cheating is a poor option with unfavourable repercussions.
Society needs these reminders from time to time, albeit in the shrill of MSM.
That media shrill is ever present so, like putting up with incompetent referees, we have to learn to work around them😉
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@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@Catogrande I was wondering how the hell he had a HS of 169. "Pakistan" clears that up - cheers.
Not just them generally, but specifically in that fourth test at Lords in 2010 which was the one where Butt and Amir got done for deliberate no-balls
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@mokey said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Just read this article by Clementine Ford for the SMH. She makes some great points in terms of the national hysteria about this scandal (including one fuckface who called this Cricket's #MeToo moment WTAF) and how this is in no way Australian sports darkest day.
A cricket cheating scandal is no small thing, but there have been worse days for Australian sport.
I note she has a book coming out in October called 'Boys will be Boys'
Shit, I bet that's an awesome one to look forward to for Xmas.
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@siam that is bit of touchy issue.
Reverse swing is a little like sausage, we like them but we don't want to see how they are made.
Maintaining and working a ball is an art and all teams do it and when they are caught it usually involves a small step over the line. SA asked whether the umpires consider Warner's bandages were over the line, the umpires said no. Last time Australia was here Warner asked whether the practice of returning the ball on the bounce was over the line and the impact said no.
In any case, the first innings collapse happened just after the ball was changed so it is not like the Aussies had a chance to tamper with it, they just got very lucky with the ball that chosen.
