Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This article sums up my feelings pretty neatly:
Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?
Ball-tampering happens in cricket, so why has what Australia did in Cape Town been decried so vehemently at home? The answer lies in the role sport plays in the identity of the nation
I feel for Aussie fans. Whilst a lot of the condemnation is over the top, their cricket team haven't made themselves popular internationally over the years so I can understand it. I liked this from the article:
"Sometimes our sporting stars behave detestably, and are rightly castigated. Our cricketers are no exception. They say they do not cross "the line", while the rest of us wonder where the hell it is. Of course, like any line in the sand, it washes away with the tide, to be redrawn wherever it suits at the time.
The Australian public has a line, too. And with their culture of sledging, whingeing, hypocrisy and arrogance, our cricketers have been head-butting it for so long that they have become an insufferable national migraine."
I suspect that the Aussie public might actually have more effect on the team than being disliked around the world.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This article sums up my feelings pretty neatly:
Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?
Ball-tampering happens in cricket, so why has what Australia did in Cape Town been decried so vehemently at home? The answer lies in the role sport plays in the identity of the nation
Yup, agree with all of that. I do wonder if the All Blacks were embroiled in a similar scandal what the reaction from the NZ public would be - probably pretty similar given their importance to our national identity.
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I'm convinced the tone would be markedly different had they won and the footage came out afterwards. It wouldn't be anywhere near as hysterical.
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@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This article sums up my feelings pretty neatly:
Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?
Ball-tampering happens in cricket, so why has what Australia did in Cape Town been decried so vehemently at home? The answer lies in the role sport plays in the identity of the nation
Yup, agree with all of that. I do wonder if the All Blacks were embroiled in a similar scandal what the reaction from the NZ public would be - probably pretty similar given their importance to our national identity.
Three words. Aaron. Smith. Toilet. And that was for something nothing to do with rugby, and not breaking the law.
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@no-quarter said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This article sums up my feelings pretty neatly:
Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?
Ball-tampering happens in cricket, so why has what Australia did in Cape Town been decried so vehemently at home? The answer lies in the role sport plays in the identity of the nation
Yup, agree with all of that. I do wonder if the All Blacks were embroiled in a similar scandal what the reaction from the NZ public would be - probably pretty similar given their importance to our national identity.
In a parallel world where NZ were cheating convicts...
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
This article sums up my feelings pretty neatly:
Why is Australia so outraged at Steven Smith's team?
Ball-tampering happens in cricket, so why has what Australia did in Cape Town been decried so vehemently at home? The answer lies in the role sport plays in the identity of the nation
Geez mate your making it hard for us fair dinkum kiwis to hate all of you cheat'n mongrel ozzies.
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@antipodean said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I'm convinced the tone would be markedly different had they won and the footage came out afterwards. It wouldn't be anywhere near as hysterical.
Hmmm I don't know. If Australia had won it might have been worse, given you could actually point to them getting a result from their underhanded shenanigans.
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@barbarian indeed.
So what you are saying is they deliberately got themselves rolled in the 2nd dig to take the heat off?
Is their no end to their transgressions?
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Just read this article by Clementine Ford for the SMH. She makes some great points in terms of the national hysteria about this scandal (including one fuckface who called this Cricket's #MeToo moment WTAF) and how this is in no way Australian sports darkest day.
Was this really sport's darkest day?
A cricket cheating scandal is no small thing, but there have been worse days for Australian sport.
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Not sure if you guys got it, but last time there was a "Australian Sport's Darkest Day" we had politicians and senior cops spinning a story about widespread corruption, gambling irregularities, and drug taking.
The result? Essendon eventually got "done" for injecting their players with funny stuff. But only after about 5 different court cases. Cronulla got their players suspended for about a fortnight. And fuck all else.
But the heat got taken off the Government for 10 minutes.
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@barbarian said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@antipodean said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I'm convinced the tone would be markedly different had they won and the footage came out afterwards. It wouldn't be anywhere near as hysterical.
Hmmm I don't know. If Australia had won it might have been worse, given you could actually point to them getting a result from their underhanded shenanigans.
The noise coming from South Africa would be worse.
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@crucial said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@booboo said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Top troll from Broad ...
Broad, speaking after the fourth day of the first Test against New Zealand in Auckland, said: “I saw Steve Smith in his press conference say it’s the first time they’ve tried it, which to me seems really surprising they’ve changed a method that’s been working.
“Look at the Ashes series we’ve just played, look through all of those Test matches and they reverse swing the ball sometimes in conditions you wouldn’t expect the ball to reverse. So I don’t understand why they’ve changed their method for this one game?”
Interesting comments coming out of SA that they too had suspicions due to how quick the Convicts were getting reverse. So much so that they asked the camera guys to hunt it out. Seems it isn't quite as easy to spot as we all suspect and it took a fair bit of patience to catch them.
I think I read somewhere that it was Fanie de Villiers (former SA seamer) rather than the team itself, although whether he got the suggestion from the team or they got it from him, who knows.
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@magpie_in_aus said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@mokey sorry couldnt bring myself to clicking on Fords stuff. She is a vile. The feminist version of Rattue
Clementine "It's not really rape if its refugees doing it" Ford..Rattue is a Saint in comparison..and I can't stand the prick.
..not that this should become a political thread also...
Anyone else just get the nagging feeling that Cricket maybe isn't really up to the modern day increasingly sanitised overly technological environment we're currently in? I don't know if crowd numbers are indicative of a growing lack of interest in the game.
I've been very surprised by the lack of interest in Oz since I've been here, would have thought this would be a bit of a cricket stronghold, or maybe that's just Victoria being weird again.
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@rembrandt said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
I've been very surprised by the lack of interest in Oz
what? where have you been? We've just come off an Ashes summer, where England barely turned up, but the crowds were huge. And at the same time the Big Bash was played to pretty handy TV and in-person crowds. There is still huge interest in cricket in this country
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@mariner4life Not a word said at work and only my Kiwi mates here had any interest, could be just a Melbourne thing of course but I found it pretty weird.
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The MCG Boxing Day crowd was massive. And they still got nearly 50K to the Stars v Renegades BBL game. Victoria still loves its cricket.
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@sidbarret there was a glorious piece of reverse swing bowling by Starc and Hazelwood in the 2nd innings of the first test that unfortunately has me wondering now.
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@siam said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@sidbarret there was a glorious piece of reverse swing bowling by Starc and Hazelwood in the 2nd innings of the first test that unfortunately has me wondering now.
That's a big part of the issue IMO. So much opportunity for "I wonder if they were doing it then..."
Michael Vaughan has come out and said he was "pretty sure" it went on during the Ashes series.
It puts doubt in the mind. A bit like Stuart Broad's 169 against Pakiistan. There will always be a "were they trying to lose"?
