Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket
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@nta said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@baron-silas-greenback said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Ok. I have gone from "not outraged " to "people need to calm the fuck down" . Some of articles and reports I have read are getting silly.
Agreed. There are far more important issues people should be losing their shit over around our political spectrum, but they won't because they don't care about politics nearly as much as they care about cricket. Cricket is easy to think about.
Plus, this feels a bit like the straw that broke the camel's back. As a cricketing public, we have generally allowed a lot of things to occur that other nations witness with a kind of seething hatred (that we've often written off to jealousy). This time we're not only losing, we're losing badly.
Totally agree with this. Ball tampering is shitty and wrong, and the ICC need to stop being bunnies about it if they are serious about it being illegal and want it to stop. Harsh fines, penalties etc. But the response to the team seems to be general dissatisfaction with on and off field antics that has been simmering for a while, and this was a legit opportunity to unleash. And it feels very personal to Aussie cricket fans because it's the #1 game, they've been at the top or thereabouts for a very long time, and it's a slap to the greats who didn't sink to this level to win.
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Jason Gillepsie article.
Interesting as I'd suppose he is the coach heir-apparent.
If Lehamann gets pulled under.
Steve Smith must go after scandal that has torched Australia’s reputation | Jason Gillespie
This was pre-planned cheating by Steve Smith’s team in South Africa and we need to know who exactly was involved if Australian cricket is to restore trust and credibility
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@rapido said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Jason Gillepsie article.
Interesting as I'd suppose he is the coach heir-apparent.
If Lehamann gets pulled under.
Steve Smith must go after scandal that has torched Australia’s reputation | Jason Gillespie
This was pre-planned cheating by Steve Smith’s team in South Africa and we need to know who exactly was involved if Australian cricket is to restore trust and credibility
Beyond Smith and his vice‑captain, David Warner, who is this leadership group? Were the coaches involved? We need this information and we need it yesterday because I know of at least one senior player who is outraged that they have been dragged into the dirt by association without having been involved at all.
Steve Smith making friends within the team too.
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@donsteppa said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@rapido said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Jason Gillepsie article.
Interesting as I'd suppose he is the coach heir-apparent.
If Lehamann gets pulled under.
Steve Smith must go after scandal that has torched Australia’s reputation | Jason Gillespie
This was pre-planned cheating by Steve Smith’s team in South Africa and we need to know who exactly was involved if Australian cricket is to restore trust and credibility
Beyond Smith and his vice‑captain, David Warner, who is this leadership group? Were the coaches involved? We need this information and we need it yesterday because I know of at least one senior player who is outraged that they have been dragged into the dirt by association without having been involved at all.
Steve Smith making friends within the team too.
Which will make the removing captaincy decision pretty easy.
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This made me laugh. Comment on a Guardian article, with the most upvotes I've ever seen.
What a heartwarming story! A few months ago, Tim Paine could hardly have imagined that he'd ever again wear the baggy green. Now he's captaining the side in a crucial Test match. It's fairytale stuff, and the perfect anecdote to the cynicism that often pervades modern sporting contests.
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Top troll from Broad ...
Broad, speaking after the fourth day of the first Test against New Zealand in Auckland, said: “I saw Steve Smith in his press conference say it’s the first time they’ve tried it, which to me seems really surprising they’ve changed a method that’s been working.
“Look at the Ashes series we’ve just played, look through all of those Test matches and they reverse swing the ball sometimes in conditions you wouldn’t expect the ball to reverse. So I don’t understand why they’ve changed their method for this one game?”
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@donsteppa said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
@rapido said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Jason Gillepsie article.
Interesting as I'd suppose he is the coach heir-apparent.
If Lehamann gets pulled under.
Steve Smith must go after scandal that has torched Australia’s reputation | Jason Gillespie
This was pre-planned cheating by Steve Smith’s team in South Africa and we need to know who exactly was involved if Australian cricket is to restore trust and credibility
Beyond Smith and his vice‑captain, David Warner, who is this leadership group? Were the coaches involved? We need this information and we need it yesterday because I know of at least one senior player who is outraged that they have been dragged into the dirt by association without having been involved at all.
Steve Smith making friends within the team too.
Just following his predecessor's leadership.
In all of this, I don't understand the ICC's response. Giving a send off ends up being as bad as deliberate attempts to cheat.
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@booboo said in Convicts v Marxist Land Thieves - Crucket:
Top troll from Broad ...
Broad, speaking after the fourth day of the first Test against New Zealand in Auckland, said: “I saw Steve Smith in his press conference say it’s the first time they’ve tried it, which to me seems really surprising they’ve changed a method that’s been working.
“Look at the Ashes series we’ve just played, look through all of those Test matches and they reverse swing the ball sometimes in conditions you wouldn’t expect the ball to reverse. So I don’t understand why they’ve changed their method for this one game?”
You think the Aussie players have the same scrutiny from the cameras when playing at home..
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There are a number of questions that need answering.
- For Bancroft to even offer suggests he knew it was already happening and was either briefed about it when joining the squad or saw it in his previous 8 tests? It is also very surprising he didnt say no and report it to the coach/manager, perhaps the coaches already knew so he went with the flow.
- To suggest this was the first time is niave, they wouldnt be tampering with the ball unless there was an advantage to be gained. It is likely they have gotten away with it before and were able to get a measurable advantage to make the risk worthwhile.
- I have suspicions this is systemic and has been occuring for some time. No doubt some interns at TV Channels are scouring hours of footage to find previous examples.
- Smith must have learnt this from someone, he has to have been doing it in previous teams to even know the techniques etc.
This really reflects very poorly on the squad and the ethics of the senior players. They all knowingly agreed to cheat and they were all ok with this. It will be interesting to see what unfolds from this.
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Ball tampering is a part of the game at all levels. In Australia and everywhere else. I've seen a few different methods in my time - old bottle caps used to scratch, different shining agents, throwing the ball into concrete repeatedly during the lunch break.
Like sledging, there's an element here that you can't understand unless you've played the game. This isn't something they cooked up at the lunch break. It's been a part of the game for decades, at all levels, in all locations. They were too brazen, too stupid and they got caught.
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This is a nice article.
oops @Virgil covers it below.
The ending sums it up for me.
So many people, even in Australia, have been waiting for an opportunity to express just how much they loathe the dark heart of this sensationally skilled team. A guileless attempt at roughing up one side of the ball is just a convenient tool. Don't cry for Smith and co, though. They've earned the disgrace. -
This is pretty much bang on..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12020237
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You would think that someone would have done extensive testing on balls and how they swing based off certain tampering. Surely there has been some scientific research into this given teams are trying to always get a leg up. It must be worthwhile for them to do it.
From a psychological point of view the players must be able to justify this somehow. Judging off what barbarian mentioned perhaps the players believe every team is tampering with the ball in some way so why shouldn't they. It is then a slippery slope into cheating and after doing it for so long the players believe its just part of the game. Hence why so many players were ok with it.
It is also interesting to see so many ex Australian players coming out in horror of this. I find it very unlikely these players didnt partake or witness ball tampering in their long careers. Michael Clark surely must have had wind of this considering he played with Smith and Warner etc.
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Well there is ball tampering and there is ball tampering.
The laws of the game permit you to tamper with the ball by shining it on your pants. That helps the ball to swing, giving your side an advantage. So it's not like this is a black and white issue.
What about deliberately scuffing the ball by bouncing the ball as you throw it to the keeper? Technically legal, but is it ethical? Certainly it's hard to police.
All the players you listed have certainly partaken in ball tampering of some description. But the line is very hard to define here, because some of it is legal.
Everyone knows this crosses the line, though.
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