Blues v Chiefs
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@williethewaiter said in Blues v Chiefs:
hmmm i don't agree with that.. our forward play was average under him - i wasn't sad to see him go
They were better drilled than under Barnes I reckon.
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@tim said in Blues v Chiefs:
@williethewaiter When you won two titles?
yeh - I'm always looking to lift the bar mate. ha. hated our lineout under him and our lineout d was mud too.
happy to say tonight it looked good tho!
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@tim said in Blues v Chiefs:
@crucial A good coach makes a huge difference. There are many examples of coaches quickly turning around teams. Umaga is in his third year of his own setup, with high end facilities and his choice of supporting coaches.
Coventry looks to be a more capable coach. They should nab him while they can. He's brought structure and smart play to Harbour - a team that didn't have much going for it. He was excellent with the Chiefs.
Yeah, but it's still clutching at straws.
Nanai must start, that will make us win. - yeah, that worked
Pulu shouldn't be captain despite us having no other leaders and the suggested replacement being completely unseen at this level.
Plenty in the past that TJF should get more chances. Did he even play?You currently have a one man back row and that is always going to make it difficult.
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@crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:
Nanai must start, that will make us win. - yeah, that worked
LOL, you're comparing fans on a message board to the third season coach.
He selected Pulu as captain, and he should know his error rate better than anyone.
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@nepia said in Blues v Chiefs:
I enjoyed that game, lot of running rugby, some big hits, lots of errors, but that's to be expected with these two teams and the pace of the game. Always fun to read a thread when you haven't been contributing to it when all angry and emotional during the game.
Alaimalo is awesome, I'd almost be happy for the ABs to ditch the two fullbacks to play him and Rieko together.
@bovidae said in Blues v Chiefs:
Cane was huge (again) with the inexperience in the pack at the end. The much-maligned Allardice played well too.
Has Allardice been much-maligned? He's always been a good performer in the Magpies and I can't remember Chiefs fans maligning him.
Another who looks like he's got AB written all over him. Apparently, he plays 15 too, so could cover that FB/wing spot.
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@crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:
Plenty in the past that TJF should get more chances.
As he never received the ball it would be hard to tell. But since the game plan was one off runners in midfield who don't pass, he was never going to get the ball. That's on the coach.
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@tim said in Blues v Chiefs:
@crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:
Nanai must start, that will make us win. - yeah, that worked
LOL, you're comparing fans on a message board to the third season coach.
He selected Pulu as captain, and he should know his error rate better than anyone.
His error rate was way less than many others out there tonight.
Your answer is sack the coac, just as your answers are to start Nanai, remove the leadership from the only leader in the team, put a rookie halfback in to pair with your rookie 10 and developing 8 etc. that's why I am questioning whether your answers are correct.
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@crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:
I sometimes wonder how much sport some guys here have actually played or coached and understand how difficult it is to break losing streaks and how much experience in winning leadership counts when things aren't going your way.
It is easier to find ways to win when you know where to look for them.Watch that early spell in the second half and watch Messam. He stepped up big in both play and leadership for a burst and made a big difference.
Pulu is captain because he has the respect of the players but he is still to establish onfield mana. He has no one backing him up though.
It's funny to watch you make excuses for Umaga and Kirwan yet didn't you basically stop supporting the Hurricanes because of Hammett? Hammett actually got close to making the playoffs one year and he was a very average coach. It's just hard to see you ever reaching the point where you say "Umaga is doing a bad job". I don't recall exactly but I don't think you ever got there with Kirwan.
Tana is in his third season and he still has not been able to produce a team which can get over the line in a tight NZ derby. NZ derbies are half of his team's games. I'm not Tana out but he's running out of time. If he was sacked he would only have himself to blame. Huge talent pool, some of the best young New Zealand rugby players and looking like three years without playoffs. Plenty of coaches are sacked for less.
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@crucial I'm not the one defending a coach who hasn't won against an NZ team since the first round of 2016.
I've provided a better coaching option. There are others that may be available too. I'm not going to make endless excuses for a coach who hasn't settled on a team until halfway through the last two seasons, selects an erratic halfback as Captain - ensuring that there will be no competition or options for our biggest weakness, and just can't produce the wins.
He has to take responsibility for the poor results, not guys who would like to see Nanai get more game time. Another question there is why isn't his development further along?
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@hydro11 said in Blues v Chiefs:
@crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:
It's funny to watch you make excuses for Umaga and Kirwan yet didn't you basically stop supporting the Hurricanes because of Hammett? Hammett actually got close to making the playoffs one year and he was a very average coach.
What???!!!
Hammer recognized that sometimes you've got to deconstruct the machine, to build something better. Canes woulda had two titles if they'd hung on to him.
p.s. Start passing around the hat to hire (the Kings of) Leon. Needs a very big cheque to tempt him away from his homeland, but he's worth it.
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I don't think sacking Tana is going to magically solve anything. Maybe installing a brain and spine into a few of the players might help.
However, Tana does need to take some heat for sticking with some shitty selections.
Pulu shouldn't be the captain because it makes him undroppable, Moala should be a wing or nothing (Hell I'd prefer Collins at 13 if he is such an important communicator like we keep hearing) and Nanai needs time at 15 without the threat of getting dropped for Collins to really show what he can do. -
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@pukunui said in Blues v Chiefs:
Moala should be a wing or nothing (Hell I'd prefer Collins at 13 if he is such an important communicator like we keep hearing) and Nanai needs time at 15 without the threat of getting dropped for Collins to really show what he can do.
Moala is done. Watching live tonight he looked slow. He can’t play wing anymore. He was getting half beaten on the outside constantly which made Duffie come in and make bad decisions.
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@hydro11 said in Blues v Chiefs:
@crucial said in Blues v Chiefs:
I sometimes wonder how much sport some guys here have actually played or coached and understand how difficult it is to break losing streaks and how much experience in winning leadership counts when things aren't going your way.
It is easier to find ways to win when you know where to look for them.Watch that early spell in the second half and watch Messam. He stepped up big in both play and leadership for a burst and made a big difference.
Pulu is captain because he has the respect of the players but he is still to establish onfield mana. He has no one backing him up though.
It's funny to watch you make excuses for Umaga and Kirwan yet didn't you basically stop supporting the Hurricanes because of Hammett? Hammett actually got close to making the playoffs one year and he was a very average coach. It's just hard to see you ever reaching the point where you say "Umaga is doing a bad job". I don't recall exactly but I don't think you ever got there with Kirwan.
Tana is in his third season and he still has not been able to produce a team which can get over the line in a tight NZ derby. NZ derbies are half of his team's games. I'm not Tana out but he's running out of time. If he was sacked he would only have himself to blame. Huge talent pool, some of the best young New Zealand rugby players and looking like three years without playoffs. Plenty of coaches are sacked for less.
I stopped supporting the Canes because I no longer felt engaged with them. Part of that was Hammett's shit-ness but mostly it was because he alienated the supporters, changed the style of play away from the traditional Canes style (which is back now) and made me not really bothered to watch them especially as due to the NPC changes the players and team I really followed (CM) were now a proper part of the Chiefs.
My point with the Blues hasn't wavered. Replacing the coach was never going to be the fix you all want. Some of the rot in Blues rugby has been repaired and some of the replaced coaches have gone on to prove their credentials elsewhere.
At the moment the big difficulty is finding how to get that tiny bit of the puzzle in place when carrying an injury roster. You mention a huge talent pool? Who is missing that was readily available? A part of the Auckland rugby problem is that they don't breed leaders and they don't breed team players. They breed big skilled individuals that have to be taught from scratch how to fit into gameplans that don't involve 'give him the ball'. Hence the lack of decent 10s. -
firstly congratulations to the chiefs that’s a hell of an effort from a team with so many injuries..from a Blues point of view I texted a friend at halftime and said I could only see one winner and it was not the home team.
My reasoning was simple if this game was close it would come down to intellect and the work rate of the chiefs forwards.Some individuals in the squad need to have a long look themselves
George Moala for all his power with ball in hand should be sponsored by Velcro,nothing has changed in his time wether he’s playing for Auckland or the Blues.
A lack of ability to set up his outsides has been the stand out feature throughout his career and once again it was highlighted for all to see.I also sense there was a lack of trust in defence from Matt Duffie who came off his wing on more than a couple of occasions.
Patrick Tuipulotu for all his size has a very poor work rate and should have been subbed early in the second half .
I watched him defending a wide blind when the chiefs were running forwards to the right he should have been right to the fore but was nowhere to be seen.Melani Nanai should never start at Fullback he throws passes out the back door like its confetti,he’s winger in my opinion and does not have an all round game or the smarts to cover the fullback position.
Personally I would have SBW & Reiko Ioane in the midfield and push Nanai out to one wing and look at another option for the other.
Like a couple of others that have posted,some of the decision making is horrible.
I also sense some of the leaders in the Blues outfit need to have big look at themselves in the mirror that includes the coach who I believe waited far too long before making the required changes. -
@duluth said in Blues v Chiefs:
@pukunui said in Blues v Chiefs:
Moala should be a wing or nothing (Hell I'd prefer Collins at 13 if he is such an important communicator like we keep hearing) and Nanai needs time at 15 without the threat of getting dropped for Collins to really show what he can do.
Moala is done. Watching live tonight he looked slow. He can’t play wing anymore. He was getting half beaten on the outside constantly which made Duffie come in and make bad decisions.
Exactly. As a former 13 who started getting my wingers in exactly the same trouble - why I went to 12, then 6 :), I think at least one of Duffie's fuck-ups was due to that. I see Moala on the bench in my best Blues backline.
HB (no idea), Perofeta, (11) Clarke, SBW, Ioane, Nanai (14 - personally, I think it's his best position), Duffie. Bench; HB (no idea), Gatland, Moala
