The Ashes
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
I've been listening to a few English cricket podcasts the last few weeks - their pain brings me great pleasure.
Anyway, they seem fixated on their lack of a genuine quick bowler. And while that's definitely something they don't have, I think it's a bit much to blame the series loss on that factor.
While they bemoan Anderson and Broad bowling mid-130s, they forget that Glenn McGrath bowled between 125-135 his entire career, and fucking dominated on Aussie tracks.
England have largely lost this series with insipid batting and gutless bowling at crucial periods. If Anderson could summon the energy and accuracy he did on day 3 in Adelaide then England would be right in this series.
Dunno that you can really blame the English for not being as good as McGrath.
Anderson is possibly approaching his league - if the ball is swinging - but, McGrath had a few crucial inches in height over Anderson that make a big difference in terms of bounce.
Overall, if you were picking a joint Ashes team at the start of the series you might pick six Aussies and five poms - but five of the first six names on the card would be Australian IMO.
Starc, Smith, Root, Hazlewood, Warner, Lyons - Anderson (but, possibly Cummins), Cook, Bairstow, Khawaja +Another (Stokes if he was available).
Realistically, I think the Aussie bowling is the largest point of difference - if the pace attack fails then Lyons is much better than Ali. The batsmen are facing a better attack, so even if they're equal to the Aussies, the Aussies have got an easier task. Smith has definitely outbatted Root though and for England to have any chance that couldn't happen.
Overall, I'd back the England batsmen with the Aussie bowlers to beat the Aussie batsmen with the England bowlers. Have to get Smith though!
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On the plus side for England, Overton has shown just how much he wants to be out there playing Test cricket..
Overton plays on despite cracked rib
Craig Overton was diagnosed with a cracked rib after aggravating an injury sustained when he was hit by Pat Cummins while batting in Adelaide
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I still think pace matters. Batsmen are really good; piches are benign, overhead in aus doesn't help, you need something. And that extra 5-10 everyh delivery can be the point of difference. At least from one of them.
People always say it's a shit era for bowling, it could just be that even the greats would average mid-20s these days.
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@barbarian said in The Ashes:
I've been listening to a few English cricket podcasts the last few weeks - their pain brings me great pleasure.
Anyway, they seem fixated on their lack of a genuine quick bowler. And while that's definitely something they don't have, I think it's a bit much to blame the series loss on that factor.
While they bemoan Anderson and Broad bowling mid-130s, they forget that Glenn McGrath bowled between 125-135 his entire career, and fucking dominated on Aussie tracks.
England have largely lost this series with insipid batting and gutless bowling at crucial periods. If Anderson could summon the energy and accuracy he did on day 3 in Adelaide then England would be right in this series.
Dunno that you can really blame the English for not being as good as McGrath.
Anderson is possibly approaching his league - if the ball is swinging - but, McGrath had a few crucial inches in height over Anderson that make a big difference in terms of bounce.
Overall, if you were picking a joint Ashes team at the start of the series you might pick six Aussies and five poms - but five of the first six names on the card would be Australian IMO.
Starc, Smith, Root, Hazlewood, Warner, Lyons - Anderson (but, possibly Cummins), Cook, Bairstow, Khawaja +Another (Stokes if he was available).
Realistically, I think the Aussie bowling is the largest point of difference - if the pace attack fails then Lyons is much better than Ali. The batsmen are facing a better attack, so even if they're equal to the Aussies, the Aussies have got an easier task. Smith has definitely outbatted Root though and for England to have any chance that couldn't happen.
Overall, I'd back the England batsmen with the Aussie bowlers to beat the Aussie batsmen with the England bowlers. Have to get Smith though!
I think I saw a stat somewhere that Root only has 3 tons outside of England. Compared to the chosen 4, he's the weakest in performing away from home.
Kane and Kohli have proven themselves in Australia vs their pace attack. Root not so much.
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@mariner4life Pace matters. Always has, always will.
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@mikedogz whatever works
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A big part of the WACA pitch character (apart from the famous pace & bounce) are those big long cracks that develop during the match, that run down the pitch.
Will they get that at the new stadium? I guess so if they are heat & soil related? Not much heat in this test, surprised to see the big cracks so early.
I assume the new stadium won't get the influence of the Fremantle Doctor.
WACA Crack:
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NZ didn't bowl bouncers on day 3. They didn't bowl any.
I never criticised the players. I said I fully understand the use of short bowling. I've played and coached the game as a job in the past
I find it odd that the commentators and match participants are all gung ho for short bowling up until someone gets hit then it's all "I hope he's alright. We don't like to see anyone hurt bla bla bla" then it's "right well we all know where this next one will be short again"
It's a strange situation.
Particularly when bowling short to tailenders
It's a highlighting of how quickly emotions and compassion dulls over time. Until the next injury.
Solution: let the grass grow for tests and go around bunnies not through them. Give the bowlers some conditions to work in
Stop fishing for outrage just because you can't grasp context. And stop making shit up to back your outrage. NZ did not bowl short in that test, nor did they celebrate wickets
Sorry, to get back to this crap from earlier.
But NZ did eventually bowl some bouncers in that test, and it was all a bit awkward.
Can see the hawkeye pitch maps from cricinfo if you're interested.
First innings (all those bouncers would be from Day 1, the delayed second morning after news of his death they didn't bowl any).
Pak Second innings, bouncers eventually crept back in:
Hawkeye: Select seam bowlers, then go to Pitch Map.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/11534/hawkeye/742615/new-zealand-vs-pakistan-3rd-test-new-zealand-tour-of-united-arab-emirates-2014-15 -
@barbarian said in The Ashes:
I've been listening to a few English cricket podcasts the last few weeks - their pain brings me great pleasure.
Anyway, they seem fixated on their lack of a genuine quick bowler. And while that's definitely something they don't have, I think it's a bit much to blame the series loss on that factor.
While they bemoan Anderson and Broad bowling mid-130s, they forget that Glenn McGrath bowled between 125-135 his entire career, and fucking dominated on Aussie tracks.
England have largely lost this series with insipid batting and gutless bowling at crucial periods. If Anderson could summon the energy and accuracy he did on day 3 in Adelaide then England would be right in this series.
We had this useful bowler in the 80’s, took a few wickets here and there. Started as a tear away quick bowler but soon realised with less pace came greater control. No idea what his general pace was but I assume it would have been in the 130’s. Certainly not fast enough to give opposition batsmen the shits but he did alright, especially in Australia where his 9/52 at the Gabba is still considered one of the finest examples of bowling you will ever see
Pace can be handy but it can also be over rated. It’s not how fast the ball travels but where you put it and how often you can put it there.
A minor point is that he never lost the ability to send a fast one down, so 140+ was an option in the toolkit, even if it wasn't deployed much. Legend has it he even put a few bouncers past Joel Garner...
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Will they get that at the new stadium? I guess so if they are heat & soil related? Not much heat in this test, surprised to see the big cracks so early.
Nope. Drop in pitch.
Smart choice. Really smart.
That pitch is just shite. All the commentators blowing the load over Starks dismissal of Vince are muppets. The guy hit a crack, there was nothing special about that delivery at all.
Stark is a excellent bowler who has bowled tens of thousands of better balls than that. I rate some of his deliveries as some of my favourites in cricket, that aint one of them.
