Whiny Warren Gatland
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@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
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@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
The money is probably better there and the KPIs are lower
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@booboo you have to wonder aye. Unless he thinks Tew and NZ management will have cleared out by 2019 or whenever he's off contract! For a guy that likes to frame himself as a straight shooter and not into the scuttlebutt etc...yeah right buddy
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@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
The money is probably better there and the KPIs are lower
Prezactly
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@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@canefan said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@booboo said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@paekakboyz said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
What a knob. A real pity that he feels such a chip on his shoulder. Can't see how this sort of carry on will ever get him a super rugby gig. Let alone a role with the ABs.
Does he really want either?
The money is probably better there and the KPIs are lower
Prezactly
Still, I'd take a little less money for the honour of coaching the ABs. I reckon Warren would too
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@canefan fuck that! It's a no win job.
We win 99.9% of the games we play, and still the coaches get a whack from the public if we don't look like the personification of perfect rugby played by aggressive angels.
Lose? Hatchet jobs. Just win? Not god enough what are the coaches/selectors doing. Win by a shit load? Well, we just expect that.
I would take a high paying job where every success is celebrated, and winning more than you lose is brilliant.
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@mariner4life winning ugly is not acceptable anymore
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I'm not a Gatland hater.
But I'm starting to find it all quite bizarre.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/99076442/warren-gatland-backtracks-on-accusations-of-explosive-info-on-the-all-blacks "Explosive is a pretty exaggerated word," he said of his own description. "I said I'd known things about the All Blacks and how personal some of the attacks on me were, that if it needed to get dirty, I'd reveal a little bit of stuff.It's not the first time I've heard this, about it getting too personal. About his son etc. Maybe I also heard this on Reunion from JK.
I gave up on the Herald during that tour, so maybe I missed some?
What happened?
- Gats got a clown cartoon a year before the tour when he white knighted on Cheika getting the clown treatment.
- I remember articles about Bryn playing his Dad's team, but they were all warm fuzzy feel-good stories that I read.
- Press started going on about "Warren-ball" after Lions scored 2 tries in first 3 games of the tour IIRC. Gats lost his rag in a press conference but I think it was with British media? I actually felt at that point a limited 'warrenball' style was a good approach for a scratch tour team so I found the kiwi criticism of the style irritiating. But it wasn't an NZ 'thing'.
- Gatland did ref-grooming via the press about obstructing kick chasers. NZ crowds reacted negatively to this. Can't remember any particular media thing.
- Gatland accused ABs of foul play after first test. Media came to NZ defence. I think at this point Hansen got cross with Gats. also I think this is when he got clown-cartooned again.
Then we had the 'Geography 6' thing, that touring press got in a froth about. NZ media and fans didn't appear to give 2 shits.
I don't get it.
At the end of the series I was quite pleased for Gats, and felt he should feel a bit justified. My Kiwi hackles were raised a bit about his treatment (for years) by British and Irish media. I thought he did a good job, got some luck, but in the end his approach was justified.
What have I missed? I stopped reading the Herald as I was finding them a bit juvenile. I haven't been back. I already didn't read any of Rattue or Reason.
It's not just Gats being paranoid though. My foreign press reading is via The Guardian. They mention 'hostile press' etc like touring a country with 2 newspaper organisations is a trip into psychological warfare land.
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@rapido trying to sell a book!
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@taniwharugby said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@rapido trying to sell a book!
Yeah I get that bit.
It's the "how personal" part I've found most strange. I never saw that, but I'm not ruling it out as I say above I've now excluded a reasonable amount of the NZ sports media from my vision. I also don't watch TV news for a few years, not out of any boycott. It's just on at a bad time if you have a young family, a bit shit anyway, and full of adds.But the NZ sports media is soooooo small.
2 newspaper companies.
3 TV companies (1 of which Sky / Prime is quite respectful of its product.
3 radio organisations.I just find it really strange how the whole UK/Irish press seem to have bought into the 'hostile environment' thing. These are people from the land of about 12 or more Daily newspapers. free-to-air sports radio channels etc, plus a normal amount to TV companies. All pouring out content. Touring the UK takes only 1 troll or ignoramous a day from each fo the 20 odd independent media outlets for it to feel like you are touring a place that hates you.
And I'm not just talking about Gatland feeling sensitive. This "hostility" thing, it's in the articles, the podcasts etc leading up to the Lions tour that I read and listed to as I hurriedly did my pre-tour swotting up. I think it's a bit of self-fulfilling myth making. The old lady in the shop or the waitress giving Will Carling or 'Insert Lion Here' her take on the lineout/scrum problems etc. The burden of touring a rugby mad country. Even if that rugby mad country IMO has a small press and IMO not particularly fervent population.
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I think the comments around Bryn were read into too much, and as its his son he took them to heart, then the clown thing I guess his view is that this was instigated by NZR rather than the ferald doing it on thier own.
Otherwise yeah all odd but somewhat of his own making.
Funny how he is going back on his 'explosive' comments
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@mariner4life said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@canefan fuck that! It's a no win job.
We win 99.9% of the games we play, and still the coaches get a whack from the public if we don't look like the personification of perfect rugby played by aggressive angels.
Lose? Hatchet jobs. Just win? Not god enough what are the coaches/selectors doing. Win by a shit load? Well, we just expect that.
I would take a high paying job where every success is celebrated, and winning more than you lose is brilliant.
Depends if he realistically wants to win a WC. If so, ABs it is.
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Articles in NZ media from a google search of "Bryn Gatland Lions". I stopped after 5 pages.
It's all feel-good human interest stories on the quirk of father v son. That's why I'm wondering if I missed something.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11869403
The scrutiny on 22-year-old Bryn Gatland before this match against his dad's British and Irish Lions team was relentless, and so, as it turned out, was the young man's performance in Whangarei. It was one of bravery, skill and inventiveness, and Gatland the younger emerged from the 13-7 defeat with his reputation very much enhanced.That Bryn Gatland has a smart head on such young shoulders. Here he is about to play the game of his rugby life against one of the finest teams on the planet for a cobbled together Baabaas outfit and his only concern is that his go-to guy for advice at moments like this is now off limits. That's because, of course, Gatland is about to make a neat little slice of rugby history when he runs out against a British and Irish Lions team in Whangarei next Saturday night coached by his father, Warren.
No divided loyalty for Gatland's gun son
Lions coach Warren Gatland's son Bryn Gatland isn’t torn between red and black. Far from it.
Bryn Gatland isn’t torn. Far from it. He supports the Lions and wants the British and Irish side to do well on their 10-game tour to New Zealand and that includes beating the All Blacks in the three-test series. What’s odd about this is that Gatland is a Kiwi. Huntly born and Hamilton bred he dreams, like all New Zealand rugby players, of being an All Black. He’ll start at first five for the Provincial Barbarians team in the opening match of the tour in Whangarei on Saturday, and is an outside chance to feature for the Blues against the Lions at Eden Park four days later (if there are more injuries). But Gatland, as the surname suggests, is the son of Lions coach and former All Blacks hooker Warren Gatland. And, in this case, blood is thicker than black. “I’m an All Blacks supporter normally but family comes first so I want the Lions to do well,” Bryn Gatland politely explains. When asked what constitutes “do well”, he turns the question around. “What would you want if it was your father (coaching the Lions)? “It’s not that I want the All Blacks to lose, it’s that I want Dad to do well. It will be amazing if the Lions can do well against the best side in the world. It will be a very proud moment for my family if Dad can achieve that goal.”
Gatland vs Gatland for Lions opener
The father, coaching the Lions, will face the son, playing for the Barbarians, as the visitors kick off their tour of New Zealand in Whangarei on Saturday.
At the Lions' first open training today, Warren Gatland implied the clash would not cause any awkwardness within the family. "I spoke to him last night and he seems to be enjoying the week. I think we'll catch up tomorrow. "We haven't spoken too much about the game, but he's pretty excited to play against us and I'm looking forward to seeing how he goes," Gatland said.http://www.allblacks.com/News/30862/bryn-gatland-well-known-to-welsh-lions
Warburton said he had known Gatland for several years. He could remember when he came in as a youngster and did some kicking with the Welsh squad six or seven years ago. "The Welsh lads know Bryn very well. I have a lot of respect for Bryn. I saw him play last year as well. "I thought he showed a lot of courage when he stepped up and kicked a dropped goal last year as well to win [when North Harbour beat Otago to win the Mitre 10 Championship final]. You've got to give him a lot of credit for that. "He's obviously in a good bloodline as well. I'm looking forward to coming up against him and shaking hands after the game.``` -
I think Gatland got upset about one article that said something like "the Lions would target him as a weak spot, as he was a young, inexperienced 1st 5 facing international players." There wasn't much in it.
EDIT: This is the bit he objected too:
"I can give you an example - the day before the first game against the Barbarians the headline in the New Zealand Herald was 'Gatland to target Barbarians' weakness - his son'. I thought it was a disgusting sort of headline. [I was] gutted by that."
**Gatland v Gatland: Warren aiming at Bryn in Lions opener** Lions coach Warren Gatland says his son Bryn probably expects to make a few tackles against his side in tomorrow's tour opener. Gatland senior is going to instruct New Zealand-born second five-eighths Ben Te'o to angle back and target Bryn at No10 - an unusual state of affairs for a proud father to be masterminding a game plan affecting his son. But the aim is to try a strategy that will potentially neutralise the All Blacks' kingpin Beauden Barrett in the test series. "I spoke to him last night and he seems to be enjoying the week," Gatland said of Bryn. "We will catch up tomorrow. He probably expects to make a few tackles on the weekend but we haven't spoken too much about the game."Gatland is a big sook.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11934100
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11867642
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Another moan:
"The last couple of weeks in terms of the criticism and personal attacks has been tough to take. Not so much for myself because that's part of sport but for family members," Gatland said.
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@nepia said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@mariner4life said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@canefan fuck that! It's a no win job.
We win 99.9% of the games we play, and still the coaches get a whack from the public if we don't look like the personification of perfect rugby played by aggressive angels.
Lose? Hatchet jobs. Just win? Not god enough what are the coaches/selectors doing. Win by a shit load? Well, we just expect that.
I would take a high paying job where every success is celebrated, and winning more than you lose is brilliant.
Depends if he realistically wants to win a WC. If so, ABs it is.
What a difference 8 years makes
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@tim said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
I think Gatland got upset about one article that said something like "the Lions would target him as a weak spot, as he was a young, inexperienced 1st 5 facing international players." There wasn't much in it.
EDIT: This is the bit he objected too:
"I can give you an example - the day before the first game against the Barbarians the headline in the New Zealand Herald was 'Gatland to target Barbarians' weakness - his son'. I thought it was a disgusting sort of headline. [I was] gutted by that."
**Gatland v Gatland: Warren aiming at Bryn in Lions opener** Lions coach Warren Gatland says his son Bryn probably expects to make a few tackles against his side in tomorrow's tour opener. Gatland senior is going to instruct New Zealand-born second five-eighths Ben Te'o to angle back and target Bryn at No10 - an unusual state of affairs for a proud father to be masterminding a game plan affecting his son. But the aim is to try a strategy that will potentially neutralise the All Blacks' kingpin Beauden Barrett in the test series. "I spoke to him last night and he seems to be enjoying the week," Gatland said of Bryn. "We will catch up tomorrow. He probably expects to make a few tackles on the weekend but we haven't spoken too much about the game."Gatland is a big sook.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11934100
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11867642
That "quote" that Gatland "quoted" never was. Read Paul Lewis's article.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11935476
``Gatland wasn't immune from flexible remembrances. He recalled the New Zealand Herald headline that disgusted him as "Gatland aims at Barbarians' weakness - his son". A search through Herald digital archives yielded no such headline.
"Gatland v Gatland - Bryn first piece in test jigsaw" was the Herald piece run on the day complained of - and it must be said media all round the world fastened on the unmissable angle of (player) son opposing (coach) father.``
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@booboo interestingly the ferald and stuff have a habit of having a headline over the thumbnail of an article but you click into it and the headline is different, often the thumbnail headline is sensationalist, maybe that was it as I think after it is gone from the main page the actual headline only shows.
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@taniwharugby said in Whiny Warren Gatland:
@booboo interestingly the ferald and stuff have a habit of having a headline over the thumbnail of an article but you click into it and the headline is different, often the thumbnail headline is sensationalist, maybe that was it as I think after it is gone from the main page the actual headline only shows.
A couple of weeks back they had “ Lorde made me a believer “ and if you clicked on the link the other headline was “ I fought the Lorde and the Lorde won” . I didn’t click on the link my son did to wind me up over my deepseated loathing of both Lorde and puns .
Well he thought it was funny anyway.The hostile press meme probably has its roots in 2005 when they called Woodward, Campbell and BOD on their bullshit and smears which is their job and they were right to do so. Gatland actually looks like he might have some sort of personality disorder , quite bizarre behaviour really.
