2018 New Zealand U20s
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@mikethesnow said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@rebound said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@stargazer he wasn't penalised and rightly so. Nobody told the Welsh player to jump for no reason
True.
But if that's what passes for a tackle in NZ then heaven help us
delightfully pissy and dramatic
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@mikethesnow said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@rebound said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@stargazer he wasn't penalised and rightly so. Nobody told the Welsh player to jump for no reason
True.
But if that's what passes for a tackle in NZ then heaven help us
There is an argument that the welsh player went into contact with the knee raised, yellow card for dangerous play
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@taniwharugby said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@mikethesnow heaven help us if players start jumping to catch a pass and draw penalties...
When would that happen?
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U20 Championship 2018: Disciplinary
Tanielu Tele'a (New Zealand)
New Zealand centre Tanielu Tele’a appeared before an independent Disciplinary Committee (Charles Cuthbert (UAE) chair, former Scotland player Beth Dickens and former Scotland and Edinburgh coach Frank Hadden) in Perpignan on 5 June, 2018 having been cited by Citing Commissioner Eugene Ryan (Ireland) for a late, dangerous tackle and/or strike on Wales centre Ioan Nicholas in breach of Laws 9.11-9.13 in the 81st minute of their Pool A match at the World Rugby U20 Championship on 3 June ,2018 in Béziers. Tele’a accepted that he had committed an act of foul play but disputed that the Citing Commissioner was correct to determine that it warranted an ordering off. Having received evidence from Tele’a, referee Ludovic Cayre (France), a medical report and a statement from Nicholas as well as reviewing the video footage and hearing submissions on behalf of the player, the Disciplinary Committee determined that Tele’a had led with his shoulder and recklessly struck Nicholas’s head. The Committee upheld the citing under Law 9.12 and considered it to be mid-range offending which carries a six-week entry point. They reduced the sanction to three weeks based on Tele’a’s youth and inexperience, previously clean record, conduct, remorse and acceptance that he had committed foul play. During the tournament three weeks equates to three matches. Tele’a is suspended for New Zealand’s remaining three matches in the World Rugby U20 Championship 2018. The player has 48 hours in which to appeal. The full written decision will be published here when available. -
I wonder whether teams are permitted to fly in a replacement for a player who has been suspended for the remainder of the tournament. Does anyone know? I guess, if it's permitted and if they want to replace Tele'a, Ngane Punivai will get a phone call.
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@rapido said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
Telea has been suspended, 3 games, that's his tournament.
Incident we've all been talking about?
If so, the citing commission may have had a different angle to look at.
Rewatching it the NZ player totally misjudged both the flight and bounce of the ball and clumsily made contact with the Welsh player with his shoulder.
That's my 2 cents.
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@mikethesnow No, it's a different player and a different incident from the one in the clip that I posted (that was from the first half and the player was Leicester Faingaanuku). The suspended player is Tanielu Tele'a, who was yellow-carded for a late, no-arms tackle at the end of the game (81st minute). Really stupid and unnecessary, and obviously, the citing commissioner and the Disciplinary Committee considered it a red-card offence instead of a yellow.
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@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@mikethesnow No, it's a different player and a different incident from the one in the clip that I posted (that was from the first half and the player was Leicester Faingaanuku). The suspended player is Tanielu Tele'a, who was yellow-carded for a late, no-arms tackle at the end of the game (81st minute). Really stupid and unnecessary, and obviously, the citing commissioner and the Disciplinary Committee considered it a red-card offence instead of a yellow.
Ta
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@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@cgrant This is the link to the game on TVNZ On Demand. You'll need to register.
Thanks a lot !
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@stargazer said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
The suspended player is Tanielu Tele'a, who was yellow-carded for a late, no-arms tackle at the end of the game (81st minute). Really stupid and unnecessary, and obviously, the citing commissioner and the Disciplinary Committee considered it a red-card offence instead of a yellow.
Yes, late body check with the shoulder after the player had passed. But something collected with the Welsh guy's chin. I think it was Telea's head.
So, basically in mitigation I think he accidentally head butted him but while committing a cheap, late foul. So, no bother for me with the suspension. I can't tell from reading the above if the judiciary saw it the same way I did, but even if they did I'd guess the fact it happened while committing a foul means mitigation, schmitigation.
Welcome to televised rugby Taneila. What you could do to an e.g. skinny Roskill Grammar midfielder in a non-televised first XV match no longer applies.
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@rapido Plummer played two games at 12 during the Oceania U20 Championship, with Matoe (not in the squad) and Trask at 10 (last game against Australia). I think 10 Trask - 12 Plummer - 15 Koroi is the best possible line-up in this scenario.
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@rebound said in 2018 New Zealand U20s:
@stargazer And some ferners were worried about the scrum during the Oceania tournament. It was the same last year, scrum struggled against Australia only to come right during the championship
I am one of those who had worries about the NZ scrum. Let's see how it fares against the Australians who demolished it during the Oceania series. This will be a good test to see if this weakness has been sorted out.
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@cgrant from what I have seen I think Aussies have one of the strongest scrums at u20 for the last three years, something they have put a lot of effort into. On saying that I think we have improved since Oceania but will still struggle somewhat. Not the end of the world, especially if you count both props (starting v wales) will return next year as well.
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New Zealand Under 20 Coach Craig Philpott has named the team to face Australia in their last pool match at the World Rugby U20 Championship.
The team is;
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Rob Cobb - Auckland
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Flynn Thomas - Southland
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Tevita Mafileo - Bay of Plenty
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Laghlan McWhannell - Waikato
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John Akauola-Laula - Auckland
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Waimana Riedlinger-Kapa - Auckland
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Tom Christie (captain) - Canterbury
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Devan Flanders - Hawke's Bay
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Jay Renton - Southland
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Harry Plummer - Auckland
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Caleb Clarke - Auckland
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Scott Gregory - Northland
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Billy Proctor - Wellington
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Bailyn Sullivan - Waikato
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Vilimoni Koroi - Otago
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Kaliopasi Uluilakepa - Wellington
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Xavier Numia - Wellington
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Sione Asi - Manawatu
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Will Tucker - Canterbury
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Hoskins Sotutu - Auckland
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Xavier Roe - Waikato
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Kaleb Trask - Bay of Plenty
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Jamie Spowart - Ta$man
http://www.allblacks.com/News/32528/new-zealand-under-20-team-named-to-face-australia
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@kiwimurph I know there's a rotation policy for the pool games, but against a team like Australia, shouldn't they use the best hooker and blindside flanker in the team (Jackson & Florence)? They're not even on the bench. They are using the same props as in the Oceania game v Oz, and that wasn't a success. I hope this ends well. A lot will also depend on discipline. Three YCs in the game against Wales; the same number of cards against the Aussies will cost them the game.
Good to see Plummer at 10. Only wondering whether Gregory has ever played at 12? Thus far, he's worn the 22 and 23 jersey ..
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Florence and Fainga'anuku are out it seems for rest of tournament. I would like to have seen Tremain get a start. We have a very strong bench against the reinforced Australian team, so hoping that will see us through. This good rotation should see us relatively fresh for knockout matches after this.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/world-rugby-u20-championship/episodes/s2018-e4
