Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV
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@nepia said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
@chimoaus Didn't see anything Cane-like about Whitelock. He just plays a decent solid game that reflects where he stands in the AB rankings. He'll be happy to have more than one AB match under his belt and can be proud of being a captain of the ABs.
Perhaps more Rueben Thorne than Sam Cane (and I mean that as a compliment)
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@taniwharugby said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
some fella on Stuffs player ratings:
Jack Goodhue 6: Sole new starting All Black had some good stuff undone by unfortunate 67th min yellow card, when stumbling into an early tackle on Henry Chavancy. Prior to that showed lovely vision and distribution, including nice floating ball for Squire to score. Good defensive reads too.
Looked forward to me, but not out of the ordinary for tries I see getting awarded all the time nowadays. But anyway...
Liam Squire 9: Back from sick bed in an absolute storming way. Best on the paddock, with great roaming runs and support play - rewarded with opening try of the game in left corner - mixed with a tonne of solid hits and abrasiveness round fringes. Taken off in 53rd minute, as surely Scotland test awaits him?
Is it just me or does Squire look smaller without his mullet?
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@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
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I like how TKB can go long periods of time in the Dirty Dirties and still come on and play at a certain level. That's a big loss. Unfortunately we'll never know how he would have developed with consistent game-time at International level. Seems to be a good team man based on not dropping his lip being the third wheel for so long. Apparently after tearing his ACL and MCL in his knee against the Boks in 2014, he tried to play on for about 5 minutes.
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Sopoaga tracking backwards for me. The skills are mostly OK, but you get little sense he is able to steer a game. If our A plan is struggling he is unlikely to be able to change the point of attack or give the opposition a different look.
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@chester-draws thing is, alot of our game has regressed this year, so a bit hard to judge 1 player accurately i think.
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@taniwharugby said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
@stargazer am sure it will be viewed as Kiwis moaning, but it is a bit of an issue, not always, but enough of one that there should be some protocols around it.
Obviously we benefitted from a big screen replay in the AB-Aus Bledisloe #3 last year (am sure there are others I cant think of) but for the most part I think our coverage is a bit more balanced in just showing the replay of something, then moving on unless the TMO is involved, not replaying to get the TMO involved.
If Hansen really wants to hammer his point home, he should get the NZ producers to use it to the extreme to force world rugbys hand..
Some accountability needs to be taken by the players with ball in hand.. if you run head first (which is a rugby thing, league runners lead with the shoulder), then expect to get head knocks.. PTs hit was an example, and I'm glad he didn't get yellowed.
Also, a bugbear of mine was the penalty for obstruction. I can't remember what the exact penalty against the French was, but I think it was for a high tackle? How does obstruction overrule a high tackle? Shouldn't the penalty against the French stand, because a high tackle would've reversed the penalty for obstruction?
In the test against the French, we had a penalty reversed cos of a player doing the same thing that the French did to us.
When are the conditions for reversing penalties?
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Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
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@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
This is where I'm confused.
On the weekend, I heard the ref reverse a penalty cos a NZ player came in and did the same exact thing that the French got penalised for. So how does that work? They were both foul plays so the 2nd foul play over-rides the first?Also, the obstruction came before the high tackle (at least I think it was, if I'm mistaken then I apologise), so wouldn't the high tackle over-ride the obstruction?
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The high tackle should over-ride obstruction. Dangerous play is worse than cheating. Refs tend to forget high tackles are foul play not simple errors.
The second foul play in response to initial foul play is penalised to stop "free" retaliation. It just has to be that way.
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@chester-draws said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
Foul play over-rides penalty. Otherwise first infringement.
Again I think I suggested the referee may have not been up to it ...
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@stargazer said in Pommie BaaBaa & Froggie XV:
The high shot on Goodhue came first; then the so-called obstruction by Moli. Penalty should never have been reversed.
Huh? Was the penalised high tackle from an earlier play? The replay I am watching now shows Laumape passing the ball to Goodhue and in front of Laumape is Moli obstructing. Goodhue then goes into contact and gets hit high.
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Laumape really is a midget. He’s surely no taller than Aaron Smith.
