Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?
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@Bones said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Not sure I agree on the chargedown theory. Isn't the reward that you've charged down a kick in goal and therefore get better possession closer to the line? Whereas if you charge it down outside, you still most likely get the ball back, just a bit further away. Seems fair to me.
If they are kicking the ball then you are likely to get the ball back anyway without the charge down. If you are close enough to charge the ball down dead in goal then the kick is most likely being made close to their own line. A 5 metre attacking scrum vs a 22 dropout than can be sent long is a pretty big difference.
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@KiwiMurph and seems fair reward to me.
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Bones care to expand?
If you put the ball into the opposition ingoal and then make it dead, you get the ball back from a 22m dropout. Why is that wrong?
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@Bones you havent made it dead, your pressure on thier poor kick made it go dead...should be rewarded better than them kicking it, short or ling from the 22
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Two goes at a maul for me. I hate how a maul can stop dead/move sideways/move backwards and the attacking team gets another go. If it stops dead/goes completely sideways/and goes backwards and stops then that maul should be over.
I don't know why we have any law allowing a stop in play and re-start when the maul already has a law allowing players in front of the ball.
FYI - I don't mind the maul with one stoppage, how it used to be.
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@Bones said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@KiwiMurph said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Bones care to expand?
If you put the ball into the opposition ingoal and then make it dead, you get the ball back from a 22m dropout. Why is that wrong?
That's the current law, but this thread is about what we'd like to see happen. Personally I would like to see the act of charging down a kick rewarded with a 5m scrum. A 22m is an unjustified outcome for a defending team that couldn't even kick the ball away from their line cleanly.
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@taniwharugby said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
@Bones you havent made it dead, your pressure on thier poor kick made it go dead...
Ummm...no. 22 is only the result if you put it in their in goal and it goes dead off you. If they put it in their in goal and it goes dead, it's a 5m scrum to the opposition (unless you tap it out I assume).
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@Bones hang on, not sure what you are arguing here (seems you like to argue for fun alot these days)
so if you are on your 5m, try to kick, I charge down, it goes dead, now they restart from the 22 right?
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Allowing the defending team to put boot to ball as they contest a ruck / counter ruck.
This has forced the ball carrier to 'place' the ball for longer thereby negating a fair contest for the ball in the tackle area.
Chicken and egg, either way a downward spiral
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Yes to be clear on my point on the charge down, i'm talking about if ball goes dead directly from the charge down,
not due to some secondary act after the charge down -
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@Bones playing that out, if you charged the ball down and it goes out a metre in front of the corner post, the kicking team gets the throw in. If that same charge down goes the other side of the corner post out in goal, its a 22 drop out. If I'm the team doing the charge down I would much prefer the former.
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The maul is my main gumble but i have talked about that plenty of times so won't go on about it again.
Grounding the ball against the base of the post to score is one i think is stupid.
Drop goal attempts that miss and go dead being a 22 restart instead of a scrum back where the kick was attempted from i think should change.
Diving on an emerging ball or something similar was something that Richie got for a couple of times late in his career. Stupid law. If the ball is out then you should be able to dive on it.
Im sure there are more. Plenty of ones where i think interpretation should be changed to make it more consistent.
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When tackled or ankle tapped you SHOULD have to place the ball on the ground then get up and pick it up - ala Ben Smith and Izzy Dagg of late.
You know that situation where they place the ball, scramble to feet and pick up again.
Not just get up still holding the ball as the tackler slides out of grasp or contact with the players leg.
Otherwise we have this farce where ol mate rabbits along or simply gets up as though he tripped himself with no intervention from defence.
It is particularly non-sensical when we enforce "tackler must relaease". Tackler does so and often the attacker just gets up and keeps going.
I hate that shit.
You get taken to the ground then you must have to release (even for a split second)
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@Siam said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
When tackled or ankle tapped you SHOULD have to place the ball on the ground then get up and pick it up - ala Ben Smith and Izzy Dagg of late.
You know that situation where they place the ball, scramble to feet and pick up again.
Not just get up still holding the ball as the tackler slides out of grasp or contact with the players leg.
Otherwise we have this farce where ol mate rabbits along or simply gets up as though he tripped himself with no intervention from defence.
It is particularly non-sensical when we enforce "tackler must relaease". Tackler does so and often the attacker just gets up and keeps going.
I hate that shit.
You get taken to the ground then you must have to release (even for a split second)
Agree if tackler needs clear release to go for a turnover. Then attacker should have clear release before regaining their feet if not held.
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@KiwiMurph said in Rugby rules (or lack there of) that grind your gears?:
Cool thread idea.
For me it is the charge down in play vs charge down in-goal. If you charge the ball down in the field of play and the ball goes dead in-goal/out in-goal it is a 22 drop out. If you charge the ball down from the in-goal area and the ball goes dead in-goal/out in-goal it is a 5 metre scrum. It doesn't happen all that often but it seems the outcomes are wildly different and doesn't reward a good defensive play (charge down in field of play, ball going dead).
Similarly with knock-ons. If there is a knock-on 1 metre out from the try line the result is a 5 metre scrum. If there is a knock-on inside the in-goal (from the attacking team) the result is a 22 metre drop out. At least with that one I suppose you are rewarding in-goal defence.
That last para: is that correct? Thought thst was changed (quite) some years ago.
