The Breakdown (TV Show)
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I liked it when they invited Glenn Jackson and Tabai Matson for analysis a few seasons ago. They were good at analysing and explaining things, without the biased tribal bs from the presentators/commentators. That happened only a few times, unfortunately.
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I think Breakdown is really only good when they get decent guests like O'Keefe etc on who have something intereting to talk about. As has been mentioned it's become a show where rugby analysis of matches and tactics has seemingly become secondary to the panel becoming cheerleaders for their former teams! Occassionally they will discuss something of interest and use their experience/knowledge of game to make points, but not very often!
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i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
JK
phenomenal human being, terrible analyst and by inference coach. Very shallow 'the boys wlil be up for it this week'. Love him, delighted he's not coaching us any more.
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Cut the Breakdown and bring back RE-UNION
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@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
Which is what happens too often, I was like you ,when Goldie tried to bring up about attacking systems etc,, was pissed when it just went nowhere.
I will add why I enjoy Aotearoa Rugby Pod so enjoyable, Parsons and Hall actually discuss how they think teams are playing, and how they are attacking/defending etc, and you feel you learn something while watching it usually. -
@Dan54 said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
Which is what happens too often, I was like you ,when Goldie tried to bring up about attacking systems etc,, was pissed when it just went nowhere.
I will add why I enjoy Aotearoa Rugby Pod so enjoyable, Parsons and Hall actually discuss how they think teams are playing, and how they are attacking/defending etc, and you feel you learn something while watching it usually.I echo that, the Aotearoa Rugby Pod is a good watch because they actually get into the nitty gritty of each game. The Breakdown is completely inconsistent with their segments.
Guys like Karl Te Nana are so bloody cringe, I’d rather listen to someone like Hall or Parsons any day of the week because they actually know how to analyse the game instead of competing to see who has the biggest mouth.
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@Canes4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
Cut the Breakdown and bring back RE-UNION
Yep, and for a win-win, TJ hosts Reunion and is banned from commentating Canterbury, Crusaders, Ta$man and Blues (for the opposite reason) matches.
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that 😎
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that 😎
actually, it really has. You get insights on here you don't get elsewhere - but modern Rugby moves very very fast. What you don't get is any sort of meaningful analysis in main stream media.
Think about it: die hard rugby fans, many season ticket holders, but there are no 'must watch' tv shows between games. NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences. NFL has traformed itself into a 12 month enteratinment package, despite only playing 5 meaningful months a year. Rugby is the opposite - 11 months of blegh.
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@Canes4life I take Te Nana at face value. I’m not expecting insight on the intricacies of plates etc. He’s more a colour comments guy given his enthusiasm and love for the game.
I don’t mind Bryn Hall’s analysis. Parsons knows the game but his commentary comes across too much like he’s acting as the smartest guy in the room. Not a fan
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences
Sky take the core audience for granted and constantly chase other groups (women, teenagers etc). Of course they should be attempting to attract a larger audience but it seems to be at the exclusion of fans who want a bit more detail.
It doesn't have to be an expensive production either. It seems most people on TSF are just asking for some more analysis and a show that has higher opinion of it's audiences knowledge/curiosity.
I thought 1014 was relatively successful? I don't think Sky provides anything for their old audience
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All comes down to money in the end.
Would take a big investment of time and resources to turn around an analysis driven show in quick order.
Those 1014 guys did it themselves and it wasn’t quick. Also wasn’t sustainable.
Maybe an early week show with some talk points from the weekend, what the results mean towards the end game, what is coming up, who might be rested, who got injured etc
A play analysis show mid week. Pick up on new plays/tactics. What is working for teams and where they might be going wrong. Could also update the injury info and provide some season stats to pump players and create interest.
Trying to cover all of that stuff and failing because the focus is on sound bites and opinions isn’t working. If they did those other shows then there is room for the opinion stuff as a separate show.
Also more package pieces on players and coaches would be welcome. Where they’ve come from, an interview etc -
The problem with this show is just as much due to the hosts and guests as with the content. Wilson is the only main host who adds some value, and even he can't save it. I watched it briefly for the second time this year when Stanway was hosting and Bates was one of the guests. I swear he was only there to make JK look intelligent.
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Although it wasn't Breakdown, I really enjoyed the after game of the Canes /Tahs last night, thought the interviews with Holland and Darren Coleman in particular was good, Coleman/Wilson and Perenara were discussing tastics and what's going worng for Tahs in a real interetsing (for me anyway) way, no smartarse just talking about what was going wrong etc. Enjoyed whole thing really.
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And the rest of the world has spotted what a dick Jeff Wilson was on this week’s Breakdown. His arrogance was inappropriate for a former All Black and disrespectful of the Old Foe and lots of other teams who will be giving their all to try and win the World Cup, include the host nation France who the ABs will face next Friday.
I hope he issues a public apology as soon as possible. Otherwise Sky should consider taking him off air.
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@sparky I watched it , what did he say? I didn't notice him say anything controversial.
Did enjoy listening to Hansen, and his take on Wallabies, though I think he was just assuring Rancid and a few other posters he didn't actually coach Wallabies, and he would be telling Foster how Wallabies saw they needed to prep against French. Actually thought the most interesting thing he said was about Wallabies missing having leadership group as such .