The Breakdown (TV Show)
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@game_film I agree with you about the Breakdown. That's why I stopped watching the Breakdown, not Super Rugby.
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@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
@game_film I agree with you about the Breakdown. That's why I stopped watching the Breakdown, not Super Rugby.
The Breakdown needs a re-vamp. It's the same old dross every week, I'm surprised it's still running tbh.
The Aotearoa Rugby Pod is so much better.
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@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
@game_film I agree with you about the Breakdown. That's why I stopped watching the Breakdown, not Super Rugby.
The Breakdown needs a re-vamp. It's the same old dross every week, I'm surprised it's still running tbh.
The Aotearoa Rugby Pod is so much better.
I have watched it on Stan here in Australia, I have to agree it is a complete load of dross,I won't bother watching it again.
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@Canes4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
@Stargazer said in Super Rugby 2023:
@game_film I agree with you about the Breakdown. That's why I stopped watching the Breakdown, not Super Rugby.
The Breakdown needs a re-vamp. It's the same old dross every week, I'm surprised it's still running tbh.
The Aotearoa Rugby Pod is so much better.
If you remember back the Breakdown tried many formats based on other shows and setups but mostly they fell flat. I'm thinking that once the found one the wasn't cringe-worthy they don't want to try and revamp again.
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
I guess it comes down to $. You would need a team of folk pulling together timely analysis/graphics etc over a short period. Easier just to roll up a talk. -
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
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@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
So do they. It's too scripted and rehearsed.
My preference would be for a show with scripted analysis segments. Similar to what Preston did during the last RWC for Spark, or 1014
The discussion sections should be more free form and less going down the line and everyone says two sentences that they've preprepared. That might require different experts. JK tries to hard, Mils rarely says anything interesting. The people with the best communication skills may not be the most famous
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
Easier just to roll up a talk.
That's not what is happening. If that were the case there would be natural reaction to what is said and the conversation would flow better. They often mention things like "that's not what you said in rehearsal"
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I liked it when they invited Glenn Jackson and Tabai Matson for analysis a few seasons ago. They were good at analysing and explaining things, without the biased tribal bs from the presentators/commentators. That happened only a few times, unfortunately.
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I think Breakdown is really only good when they get decent guests like O'Keefe etc on who have something intereting to talk about. As has been mentioned it's become a show where rugby analysis of matches and tactics has seemingly become secondary to the panel becoming cheerleaders for their former teams! Occassionally they will discuss something of interest and use their experience/knowledge of game to make points, but not very often!
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i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2023:
JK
phenomenal human being, terrible analyst and by inference coach. Very shallow 'the boys wlil be up for it this week'. Love him, delighted he's not coaching us any more.
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Cut the Breakdown and bring back RE-UNION
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@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
Which is what happens too often, I was like you ,when Goldie tried to bring up about attacking systems etc,, was pissed when it just went nowhere.
I will add why I enjoy Aotearoa Rugby Pod so enjoyable, Parsons and Hall actually discuss how they think teams are playing, and how they are attacking/defending etc, and you feel you learn something while watching it usually. -
@Dan54 said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@mariner4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
i watched my first episode of this show ever this week
Goldie actually made a couple of insightful points about how Super Rugby teams were attacking this year, which got absolutely zero traction, and that segment ended very quickly.
JK just said every Blues player should be in the All Blacks. And the Blues should be favourite for the title. And the Blues... and the Blues...
Mils smiled and nodded and said nothing
The main presenter who i didn't know just teed up golf balls for the others to swing at.
There was the making of an interesting show, but it was missed.
Which is what happens too often, I was like you ,when Goldie tried to bring up about attacking systems etc,, was pissed when it just went nowhere.
I will add why I enjoy Aotearoa Rugby Pod so enjoyable, Parsons and Hall actually discuss how they think teams are playing, and how they are attacking/defending etc, and you feel you learn something while watching it usually.I echo that, the Aotearoa Rugby Pod is a good watch because they actually get into the nitty gritty of each game. The Breakdown is completely inconsistent with their segments.
Guys like Karl Te Nana are so bloody cringe, I’d rather listen to someone like Hall or Parsons any day of the week because they actually know how to analyse the game instead of competing to see who has the biggest mouth.
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@Canes4life said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
Cut the Breakdown and bring back RE-UNION
Yep, and for a win-win, TJ hosts Reunion and is banned from commentating Canterbury, Crusaders, Ta$man and Blues (for the opposite reason) matches.
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@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that 😎
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@ACT-Crusader said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@nzzp said in The Breakdown (TV Show):
@Crucial said in Super Rugby 2023:
I think we all agree that there is room for better analysis and less chat/opinion mainly because you know what the hosts are going to say before they open their mouths.
you need smart, informed poeple saying things worth listening to. The Breakdown is not that. Their audience seems to be people who aren't that interested in rugby, but want to watch ex-players and presenters.
For me, an analysis package for hardcore fans, a fluff package for the casual, and a factual roundup of what happened this week, and what's coming up. Right now we get the second, and some of the third. Get some coaches in there breaking down plays each week, defensive structures, kicking - basically Squidge but qualified. That I would watch, as it would improve my depth of understanding of the game.
I guess being on the Fern for 14 years hasn’t helped much with that 😎
actually, it really has. You get insights on here you don't get elsewhere - but modern Rugby moves very very fast. What you don't get is any sort of meaningful analysis in main stream media.
Think about it: die hard rugby fans, many season ticket holders, but there are no 'must watch' tv shows between games. NZR and Sky are failing dismally at attracting and holding audiences. NFL has traformed itself into a 12 month enteratinment package, despite only playing 5 meaningful months a year. Rugby is the opposite - 11 months of blegh.
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@Canes4life I take Te Nana at face value. I’m not expecting insight on the intricacies of plates etc. He’s more a colour comments guy given his enthusiasm and love for the game.
I don’t mind Bryn Hall’s analysis. Parsons knows the game but his commentary comes across too much like he’s acting as the smartest guy in the room. Not a fan
