2017 Bledisloe Cup & Rugby Championship (4 Nations)
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@taniwharugby said in 2017 Bledisloe Cup & Rugby Championship (4 Nations):
@Bovidae so that would mean if you are suspended for the AB's, you can still play Super rugby?
So in theory, you get suspended in last game of EOYT, can play Super rugby, but suspended for first game of June tour?
It's not perfect but that would prevent international rugby players using club games or provincial games they are never going to play towards their suspensions. And missing a test would be much more significant.
That's what happens in English football where you can be suspended in one competition (e.g. EPL) but still play in the FA Cup or Europe. And vice versa.
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Until the 2017 Super Rugby season, it was possible for players suspended by SANZAAR to serve their suspension (or part of it) during a bye if they claimed that they would have played a club rugby game during that bye. From this year that is no longer possible.
In the determination of an incident and the handing down of any sanctions, the committee will now have the ability to exclude any regular season Vodacom Super Rugby byes as part of a meaningful sanction. This means, for example, a three week suspension means a player will miss three Vodacom Super Rugby matches – byes or matches in other competitions are excluded from the sanction. -
Glad to see Sonny will be available, to run water for his team mates...
There's no simple way to fix the suspension rules given rugby is a multi-levelled sport, that has breaks through it for one level and not others.
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@Stargazer as @Bovidae alluded to, I think Owen Franks (among others) have used their club game on a bye week as part of a suspension, which a fornt line INternation player would never have played...I suspect coaches probably have a set release for these just in case. Pretty cynical to do it that way, but they aren't breaking any rules.
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@taniwharugby How is that relevant to my post? I just showed that things have been tidied up in Super Rugby this season. Owen Franks' last citing & suspension, as far as I can recall, dates back to the 2015 Super Rugby season.
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@NTA said in 2017 Bledisloe Cup & Rugby Championship (4 Nations):
Anyway, back to the point: Queenslanders will be hurling flaming pitchforks Cheika's way on the topic of Kwade, but at least they get to blame NSW for everything when we lose.
Predict the Wallabies will win 1 game against Argentina.
you know, i thought that would be the case, but it's been remarkably quiet on that front. I think they, like most Aussie supporters, have taken too many hits this year to be fucked firing up about anything.
Cheika seems to be on thin ice with a lot of supporters across the board (he's got way more credit in the bank with NSW than anywhere else, and that's probably his job security), and the excuses appear to be wearing thin with more than just the rapid Reds fans.
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@Stargazer its relevant because you were moaning about the fact he can play (OP) and how wrong it is, examples were given that this is pretty common.
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@taniwharugby The post you replied to contained an example of a competition where it's no longer possible. Never mind.
Also, the fact that it is common (in other tournaments or competitions than SR) doesn't make it right.
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@Stargazer I was replying to you OP while you posted your reply...I also posted exactly that about the rule not being great.
Anywhoo, back on topic.
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@Stargazer said in 2017 Bledisloe Cup & Rugby Championship (4 Nations):
@taniwharugby The post you replied to contained an example of a competition where it's no longer possible. Never mind.
Also, the fact that it is common (in other tournaments or competitions than SR) doesn't make it right.
But that it is common means that the people setting the penalties know what is going to happen, and give the number of weeks with that in mind.
SBW missed one test, and he probably could have done with a warm-up game as he's going to go in cold. Many players would be benched for that.
Seems entirely reasonable for the offence he committed.
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Can't say I give too many shits about the SBW suspension, and how it ends up being served.
He got sent off early in a test, and missed the next test.
Whether a shoulder charge to the head is worth a red card and 1 week or a red card and 6 weeks is much of a muchness to me.
His dumb action has had repurcussions.
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@booboo said in 2017 Bledisloe Cup & Rugby Championship (4 Nations):
Not greatly worried about SBW in particular but perhaps there is a case to say a ban issued in professional rugby should be served in professional rugby. (Which IMO would include Counties Manukau pre season.)
Yes, agree.
Not concerned about SBW scenario in particular.But they could make their owns judicial rules less ambiguous to save themselves some angst, if they care.
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@booboo said in 2017 Bledisloe Cup & Rugby Championship (4 Nations):
Not greatly worried about SBW in particular but perhaps there is a case to say a ban issued in professional rugby should be served in professional rugby. (Which IMO would include Counties Manukau pre season.)
Makes sense, but quite a few club players are paid. Not a living wage, obviously, but paid.
"Professional" would be hard to judge.
Representative/provincial would be easier.
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Springbok squad for the Rugby Championship:
FORWARDS (19):
Uzair Cassiem (flank/No 8 ), Toyota Cheetahs – 1 cap, 5 points (1 try)
Lood de Jager (lock), Vodacom Bulls – 29 caps, 20 points (4 tries)
Dan du Preez (No 8 ), Cell C Sharks - uncapped
Jean-Luc du Preez (loose forward), Cell C Sharks – 4 caps, 0 points
Pieter-Steph du Toit (lock), DHL Stormers – 23 caps, 15 points (3 tries)
Eben Etzebeth (lock), DHL Stormers – 57 caps, 15 points (3 tries)
Lizo Gqoboka (prop), Vodacom Bulls – uncapped
Steven Kitshoff (prop), DHL Stormers – 13 caps, 0 points
Siya Kolisi (flank), DHL Stormers – 19 caps, 5 points (1 try)
Jaco Kriel (loose forward), Emirates Lions/Kubota Spears (Jap) – 8 caps, 0 points
Frans Malherbe (prop), DHL Stormers – 17 caps, 0 points
Malcolm Marx (hooker), Emirates Lions – 5 caps, 5 points (1 try)
Bongi Mbonambi (hooker), DHL Stormers – 8 caps; 0 points
Oupa Mohoje (loose forward), Toyota Cheetahs – 17 tests, 0 points
Franco Mostert (lock), Emirates Lions/Ricoh Black Rams (Jap) – 10 caps, 0 points
Tendai Mtawarira (prop), Cell C Sharks – 90 caps, 10 points (2 tries)
Trevor Nyakane (prop), Vodacom Bulls – 28 – 5 points (1 try)
Coenie Oosthuizen (prop), Cell C Sharks – 26 caps, 20 points (4 tries)
Chiliboy Ralepelle (hooker), Cell C Sharks – 22 caps, 5 points (1 try)BACKS (15):
Curwin Bosch (flyhalf), Cell C Sharks – uncapped
Andries Coetzee (fullback), Emirates Lions – 3 caps, 0 points
Ross Cronje (scrumhalf), Emirates Lions – 2 caps, 5 points (1 try)
Damian de Allende (centre), DHL Stormers – 22 Caps, 15 points (3 tries)
Warrick Gelant (fullback), Vodacom Bulls – uncapped
Francois Hougaard (scrumhalf), Worcester (England) – 42 caps, 25 points (5 tries)
Elton Jantjies (flyhalf), Emirates Lions/NTT Shining Arcs (Jap) – 14 caps, 130 points (1 try, 22 conversions, 27 penalties)
Jesse Kriel (centre), Vodacom Bulls – 19 caps, 25 points (5 tries)
Dillyn Leyds (utility back), DHL Stormers – 3 caps, 0 points
Rudy Paige (scrumhalf), Vodacom Bulls – 8 caps, 5 points (1 try)
Handré Pollard (flyhalf), Vodacom Bulls – 20 caps, 188 points (2 tries, 29 con, 37 pen, 3 dropkicks)
Raymond Rhule (wing), Toyota Cheetahs – 3 caps 0 points
Jan Serfontein (centre), Vodacom Bulls – 29 caps, 20 points (4 tries)
Courtnall Skosan (wing), Emirates Lions – 3 caps 0 pints
Francois Venter (centre), Toyota Cheetahs – 3 caps, 0 points -
Pumas squad for the TRC:
http://lospumas.com.ar/2017/07/20/plantel-personal-rugby-championship-2017/
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The full story:
Key points include the return of prop Nepo Laulala and fullback Nehe Milner-Skudder, while Julian Savea and Matt Todd miss out. 22 year old Chiefs, Waikato and former NZ Under 20 prop Atu Moli comes in as an "apprentice". The squad is as follows (with province, Investec Super Rugby team and Test caps in brackets): Forwards Hookers Dane Coles (Wellington/Hurricanes, 49) Nathan Harris (Bay of Plenty/Chiefs, 8) Codie Taylor (Canterbury/Crusaders, 19) Props Wyatt Crockett (Canterbury/Crusaders, 62) Owen Franks (Canterbury/Crusaders, 94) Nepo Laulala (Counties Manukau/Chiefs, 4) Joe Moody (Canterbury/Crusaders, 28) Ofa Tu’ungafasi (Auckland/Blues, 4) Locks Scott Barrett (Taranaki/Crusaders, 8) Brodie Retallick (Hawke’s Bay/Chiefs, 64) Luke Romano (Canterbury/Crusaders, 26) Samuel Whitelock (Canterbury/Crusaders, 88) Loose forwards Sam Cane (Bay of Plenty/Chiefs, 44) Vaea Fifita (Wellington/Hurricanes, 1) Jerome Kaino (Auckland/Blues, 74) Kieran Read, captain (Counties Manukau/ Crusaders, 100) Ardie Savea (Wellington/Hurricanes, 16) Liam Squire ( Ta$man/Highlanders, 8)Backs Halfbacks Tawera Kerr–Barlow (Waikato/Chiefs, 25) TJ Perenara (Wellington/Hurricanes, 33) Aaron Smith (Manawatu/Highlanders, 62) First five–eighths Beauden Barrett (Taranaki/Hurricanes, 53) Lima Sopoaga (Southland/Highlanders, 7) Midfielders Ryan Crotty (Canterbury/Crusaders, 27) Ngani Laumape (Manawatu/Hurricanes, 2) Anton Lienert-Brown (Waikato/Chiefs, 13) Sonny Bill Williams (Counties Manukau/Blues, 36) Outside backs Jordie Barrett (Taranaki/Hurricanes, 2) Israel Dagg (Hawke’s Bay/Crusaders, 65) Rieko Ioane (Auckland/Blues, 4) Nehe Milner-Skudder (Manawatu/Hurricanes, 8) Waisake Naholo (Taranaki/Highlanders, 13) Ben Smith (Otago/Highlanders, 62) Utility back / Replacement Damian McKenzie (Waikato/Chiefs, 2)The squad sees the returns of Chiefs and Counties Manukau tighthead prop Nepo Laulala and Hurricanes and Manawatu outside back Nehe Milner-Skudder, who last played for the national side in 2015. Damian McKenzie has been named as a replacement for All Blacks Vice-Captain Ben Smith, who will take an extended break from the game following the first two Bledisloe Cup matches. The squad will again be captained by number eight Kieran Read, and sees 18 forwards selected (three hookers, five props, four locks and six loose forwards) and 15 backs (three halfbacks, two first five–eighths, four midfielders and six outside backs) and has a total of 1,109 Test caps experience. The squad is made up of four Blues players, six Chiefs, eight Hurricanes, 10 Crusaders and five Highlanders, with 11 of New Zealand’s Mitre 10 Cup provinces represented. There are seven Canterbury players, four each from Taranaki and Wellington and three each from Auckland, Counties Manukau and Manawatu. Hawke’s Bay and Bay of Plenty have two players each and there’s one player each from Ta$man, Otago and Southland.All Blacks Head Coach Steve Hansen said: “Firstly, we congratulate all players selected for the Investec Rugby Championship, particularly Nepo and Nehe, who we welcome back. Conversely, we commiserate with those who have missed out, particularly Julian Savea and the unlucky Matt Todd, both of whom have made great contributions to the All Blacks jersey and will do so again in the future, I’m sure.” Hansen said the All Blacks were again looking forward to the first two Bledisloe Cup matches and the Investec Rugby Championship. “For us, it’s case of re-establishing ourselves and building on our good work from last year and during the recent DHL New Zealand Lions Series. There were some clear things learnt in the Lions Series and this is a great chance for us to implement those; to continue to grow our skill execution and the mental side of our game, and develop our leadership and the leadership group. “The first two Bledisloe Cup matches will set the tone, as we know the Australians will throw everything at us, while we’re expecting the South Africans and Argentinians to be as bruising and physical as always. “We’ve learnt since the introduction of Argentina that there is a massive travelling component to the Championship, which comes at a cost at the end of the year, so we’ll be looking to implement some new strategies to try and overcome that.” Meanwhile, as they have done in some previous campaigns, the All Blacks selectors have also named an “apprentice”, 22-year-old Chiefs and Waikato and former New Zealand Under 20 prop Atu Moli, who will assemble and train with the squad during the All Blacks’ home Test weeks in the Investec Rugby Championship. “We’ve used the apprentice programme in the past and think it’s hugely beneficial for a player’s development, so we look forward to working with Atu. He’s an outstanding player and an impressive young man who has a big future in the game,” Hansen said.Notes One player, Otago and Highlanders hooker Liam Coltman, wasn’t considered for selection as he’s been ruled out for the rest of the season with an ankle injury. The All Blacks squad will assemble on Thursday this week with the team taking on the Counties Manukau and Taranaki Mitre 10 Cup sides in the ever-popular Game of Three Halves match at ECOLight Stadium in Pukekohe on Friday 11 August. The All Blacks will play Australia first up in Sydney on Saturday 19 August and then play home Tests against Australia in Dunedin, Argentina in New Plymouth and South Africa in Auckland before heading overseas for Tests against Argentina in Buenos Aires and South Africa in Cape Town. It will be the first time the All Blacks have played in Cape Town since 2008. The All Blacks won The Rugby Championship in 2012 – 2014 and again in 2016, have held The Bledisloe Cup (played between New Zealand and Australia) since 2003 and The Freedom Cup (played between New Zealand and South Africa) since 2010. Investec Rugby Championship 1. vs. AUSTRALIA. Saturday 19 August, 8.05PM, ANZ Stadium, SYDNEY 2. vs. AUSTRALIA. Saturday 26 August, 7.35PM, Forsyth Barr Stadium, DUNEDIN 3. vs. ARGENTINA. Saturday 9 September, 7.35PM, Yarrow Stadium, NEW PLYMOUTH 4. vs. SOUTH AFRICA. Saturday 16 September, 7.35PM, QBE Stadium, AUCKLAND 5. vs. ARGENTINA. Saturday 30 Sept, 7.30PM, Estadio José Amalfitani, BUENOS AIRES 6. vs. SOUTH AFRICA. Sat 7 October, 5.05PM, DHL Newlands, CAPE TOWN Third Bledisloe Cup Test 1. vs. AUSTRALIA, Saturday 21 October, 8.05PM, Suncorp Stadium, BRISBANE -
I think there's going to be some interesting squad management for the final three matches of the RC.
Not always easy winning in BA, especially after what I'm anticipating as a hard test vs the Boks in Auckland.
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