Parker v ??
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@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
I have to wonder if that actually is the plan by Hearn anyway. Less risky to take on one of JP and DW rather than both.
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@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
it doesnt really work like that , ( the titles) it helps
its more about who brings the money to the table from PPV sales , that is the biggest negotiating tool for the money part ,
Mayweather could come back with no titles and still demand more money than anyone else against title holders and get it ,
But Parker has to get what he can from this and cash in the best he can , lose , he is in danger of slipping right down the pecking order , the opportunity may never come again
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@kiwiinmelb said in Parker v ??:
@bovidae said in Parker v ??:
Joshua only seems to want a unification fight on his terms but I don't think what Duco are asking for is unreasonable. Forget about who might be the bigger drawcard (in the UK), it should be a 66%-33% split based on having 2 titles vs 1 title. Joshua is coming across as precious so Duco is likely betting on his ego getting the better of him, and demanding that the fight take place at the terms they want (65%-35%).
I would find it funny if Parker ends up fighting Wilder first as the winner of that fight would then have more leverage over Hearn and Joshua.
it doesnt really work like that , ( the titles) it helps
its more about who brings the money to the table from PPV sales , that is the biggest negotiating tool for the money part ,
Mayweather could come back with no titles and still demand more money than anyone else against title holders and get it ,
But Parker has to get what he can from this and cash in the best he can , lose , he is in danger of slipping right down the pecking order , the opportunity may never come again
Agreed, and the one asset he has to force that pay off is a title that AJ wants.
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It will depend on how much Joshua wants the other 2 belts. If he really wants to unify the titles then he will have to make some concessions too. A genuine question, how much profile does Joshua have in the US?
Wilder has never fought outside of North/Central America so I don't think he'll take a fight in the UK for peanuts.
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yeah , I think the titles are a bit of a smokescreen in modern boxing to be honest , almost more of a marketing tool to help sell fights to the fans ,
they have their value , but not like the old days where it meant everything ,
these days in modern boxing , money rules over everything else
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@bovidae Hah! I wish Wilder would step up like that but he'll no doubt go back and fight someone lke Dominic Breazeale next. He's happy just fighting in Alabama for his 1.3 million paydays against guys who are barely rated in the top 30.
Personally I think what Duco are asking is more than reasonable. They cop a lot of stick for the way they go about things at times but they've done a very good job getting Parker to where he is today.
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Ortiz fought this past week. Wilder was there and called him out post fight, in ring. It was weird as Ortiz has the language barrier, being Cuban, and Wilder speaks a version of English that is as far from the mother tongue as it gets before its not actually English anymore.
But the grand sum was they are going to fight. Ortiz looked flabby and took much longer to put away his opponent than he should have. He's 38 now and after a career of being on PEDs he's clearly trying to end it without(to get the title shots) and it shows. He's been injured but to me it was all a rouse to get off the gear. Wilder Probably wins if Ortiz remains in this condition. If King Kong gets in shape, he wins and easily IMO.
So it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few months. Parker is in Brisbane for the Horn 1st defense fight and there will be a meeting with Lucas Browne's people no doubt.
AJ will be sitting there in his glass tower that is the top of the division, waiting for everything to fall into place.
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Wilder has had 39 fights and his best opponent is probably Johann Duhaupas which really says it all about him in terms of ambition.
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I'm not quite sure what to make of this ( some of the proofreading in the article is Stuff.co.nz level as well )
When Ali died Holmes was quoted as saying there was no one today who held a candle to the 70s/80s era.
@raznomore thoughts on this? Personally I doubt Joshua could do it.
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@mn5 Holmes be smoking some shit!
Just before he won the belt up until his marriage to Robyn Givens, Tyson would have been the scariest fighter anyone would have faced ever. And I mean ever. His defense was perfect, his head movement was perfect his combinations were perfect. His punching power was border line godlike.
He would have Ko'd Joshua within 3 at the height of his powers. I think he would have ko'd just about anyone. Including the greatest.
Joshua is physically probably nothing like anything Tyson ever faced in his career. He is a massive man with speed oh hands but Tyson would destroy him.
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@raznomore said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 Holmes be smoking some shit!
Just before he won the belt up until his marriage to Robyn Givens, Tyson would have been the scariest fighter anyone would have faced ever. And I mean ever. His defense was perfect, his head movement was perfect his combinations were perfect. His punching power was border line godlike.
He would have Ko'd Joshua within 3 at the height of his powers. I think he would have ko'd just about anyone. Including the greatest.
Joshua is physically probably nothing like anything Tyson ever faced in his career. He is a massive man with speed oh hands but Tyson would destroy him.
I reckon you're probably right but every fighter had their nemesis. Look at Ken Norton and Ali as an example of that.
It would've also been interesting to see a prime Larry Holmes vs Tyson. The result woulda been way closer.
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@mn5 said in Parker v ??:
@raznomore said in Parker v ??:
@mn5 Holmes be smoking some shit!
Just before he won the belt up until his marriage to Robyn Givens, Tyson would have been the scariest fighter anyone would have faced ever. And I mean ever. His defense was perfect, his head movement was perfect his combinations were perfect. His punching power was border line godlike.
He would have Ko'd Joshua within 3 at the height of his powers. I think he would have ko'd just about anyone. Including the greatest.
Joshua is physically probably nothing like anything Tyson ever faced in his career. He is a massive man with speed oh hands but Tyson would destroy him.
I reckon you're probably right but every fighter had their nemesis. Look at Ken Norton and Ali as an example of that.
It would've also been interesting to see a prime Larry Holmes vs Tyson. The result woulda been way closer.
Speaking of nemesis , they say Tyson avoided James Toney ,
Everything boxing wise points to Tyson winning , but they grew up in the same neighborhood , and Toney was the toughest kid around , no one messed with him growing up , including tyson
psychological barrier perhaps , but they say Tyson didnt want that fight , was like a pecking order respect thing .
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Jeff horn had a tko win last night and sets up a welterweight mega fight with Terence Crawford in what in what is probably the premier weight division right now when it comes to depth and talent .
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looks like its a done deal with them rumored to have met somewhere in the middle , 32 -33% for parker is the rumor ,
Cat was let out of the bag a bit earlier when Lucas brown announced his upcoming fight with Whyte ,
Brown is said to have signed his side of a contract to fight parker , and had to wait to see what he was doing first .
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if joshua wins , no rematch for Joseph ,
its cya later thanks for the belt ,
i guess thats the big concern for the parker camp ,which is why they had to maximize his earnings , if he loses , how far he slides down the pecking order , does this ever come around again ?
I guess the nature of the loss may have something to say about that ,
A competitive loss should still have him in the mix, a humiliating loss may be a difficult one to recover from
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Probaby a good time to lose as a HW as the division is quite weak currently so it's definitely possible to make a swift comeback. A few years down the line could be difficult however as there are some decent prospects coming through.
