Highlanders vs. Blues
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@Frye Instant Finance?
Obviously these sort of things happen more often than we think. It's just not played out in the public arena.
Sure SBW could have handled it better but the only option I see is to have a specially made jersey missing certain sponsors logos like Amla and Tahir do with the SA cricket team.
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@Bovidae the issue for me is why has this suddenly become an issue for him?
I know people love to put the boot into the guy, and some of it is well deserved, but what you hear form his team mates and coaches, he is the ultimate professional and great guy to have in your team, so makes you wonder if it is the advice (or lack of) he gets elsewhere about things that seem to be the issue.
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@Bovidae said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Frye Instant Finance?
Obviously these sort of things happen more often than we think. It's just not played out in the public arena.
Sure SBW could have handled it better but the only option I see is to have a specially made jersey missing certain sponsors logos like Amla and Tahir do with the SA cricket team.
He had the names of his family embroidered into the jersey so you'd imagine it would have been easy enough for the logo to be removed pre-game. But nobody would have noticed that so what would be the point.
Doing an add is completely different imho because it makes you a public face of that product and implies that you personally endorse it.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
He had the names of his family embroidered into the jersey so you'd imagine it would have been easy enough for the logo to be removed pre-game.
I'd expect the jerseys are bulk made and the extra embroidery is post.
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@antipodean said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
He had the names of his family embroidered into the jersey so you'd imagine it would have been easy enough for the logo to be removed pre-game.
I'd expect the jerseys are bulk made and the extra embroidery is post.
Sure, but he's had ample time to request any alterations.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@antipodean said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
He had the names of his family embroidered into the jersey so you'd imagine it would have been easy enough for the logo to be removed pre-game.
I'd expect the jerseys are bulk made and the extra embroidery is post.
Sure, but he's had ample time to request any alterations.
So your issue is timing?
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Sonny Bill Williams is on the brink of getting a dispensation to wear a special jersey without the logos of two of the Blues' and New Zealand Rugby's most significant sponsors on it.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11836304
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New Zealand Rugby has confirmed that all of the country's professional rugby players have a clause in their collective contracts allowing them to opt out of promoting finance companies, banks, alcohol companies, tobacco companies and gambling companies.
Doesn't seem to be a problem to me. I'd wager AIG will still be prominent on a particular black jersey he wears...
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@antipodean guess Insurance is seen slightly differently but Allah?
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I prefer jerseys free from Sponsors logos.
I trust the public will be given the option to buy the Blues jersey, SBW edition...
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@Billy-Tell I'd love a Blues jersey without the NIB logo splattered all over the front.
although the training jersey suits it.
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@taniwharugby I agree. Hopefully he clarifies this week why the stance has only being taken now and we move on. This is becoming more of a story than it needed to be.
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@taniwharugby said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Bovidae the issue for me is why has this suddenly become an issue for him?
I know people love to put the boot into the guy, and some of it is well deserved, but what you hear form his team mates and coaches, he is the ultimate professional and great guy to have in your team, so makes you wonder if it is the advice (or lack of) he gets elsewhere about things that seem to be the issue.
Haha you'd think he was 10 years old. If he chooses to associate with people like Nasser and raging homophobes like Menk then that is a reflection of his own character.
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If the conscientious objector thing was key, surely the Blues management would have known at the start of the season (or when contract was signed) and prepared for the eventuality of SBW on the field with a jersey sans BNZ logo.
By whacking on lots of peach coloured strapping tape over a dark blue jersey, he has deliberately made it a noticeable thing. HEY EVERYONE I'VE COVERED UP SOMETHING. When it could have been a more discreet black marker pen or black tape or whatever.
And he's played plenty of games with the BNZ logo on jerseys uncovered. Why now is it an issue?
Publicity stunt.
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I don't think it's a publicity stunt at all. As I've mentioned before, people develop beliefs and opinions. You don't get them overnight. Because he has not grown up as a Muslim, he's started forming those beliefs quite late. Also factor in that he converted at a difficult time in his life when he had his alcohol issues (among other things), so he might not have started with all the information about what all the "requirements" are that a Muslim has to meet in his daily life (apart from the well-known ones, such as not drinking, not eating pork, halal food and gambling etc). Add to that the company he holds (some have been mentioned here) and possibly they're getting an increasing influence on him as well. So there are bound to be changes in what he considers compatible with his faith and what not.
So what was acceptable to him a couple of years ago when he played for the Crusaders and Chiefs may have gradually become unacceptable to him now. Obviously, there are inconsistencies along the way. I don't just mean the remaining logos on training jerseys, but also making selfies or being photographed to give just the one example. As far as I know, Islam prohibits the photography of animate things because - among other things - they can lead to worship and glorification of someone other than Allah. This won't be the end of SBW's religious development, esp if he's influenced by people with more strict/radical ideas.
It's also clear that he thought that having that conscientious objection clause available, meant that he could invoke that instantly, while - apparently - players need to make a request to NZR/their SR team first and obtain permission first. The fact that he didn't ask permission prior to taping off the logos seems to imply that he is either a very ignorant and impulsive person who didn't consider it properly, or a person who doesn't care about procedures and what his employers think about it.
I think you have to know him personally, like his team mates, to know what he's really like. I certainly won't form opinions about him by reading opinionated articles from journos. Just as I don't follow the fanboy hype around him, I won't let jealous/anti-religious/Islamophobic grudges influence me. Above all, I don't really care what he does or not, as long as he plays well when/if he gets to wear a black jersey again. -
@Stargazer said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I don't think it's a publicity stunt at all. As I've mentioned before, people develop beliefs and opinions. You don't get them overnight. Because he has not grown up as a Muslim, he's started forming those beliefs quite late. Also factor in that he converted at a difficult time in his life when he had his alcohol issues (among other things), so he might not have started with all the information about what all the "requirements" are that a Muslim has to meet in his daily life (apart from the well-known ones, such as not drinking, not eating pork, halal food and gambling etc). Add to that the company he holds (some have been mentioned here) and possibly they're getting an increasing influence on him as well. So there are bound to be changes in what he considers compatible with his faith and what not.
So what was acceptable to him a couple of years ago when he played for the Crusaders and Chiefs may have gradually become unacceptable to him now. Obviously, there are inconsistencies along the way. I don't just mean the remaining logos on training jerseys, but also making selfies or being photographed to give just the one example. As far as I know, Islam prohibits the photography of animate things because - among other things - they can lead to worship and glorification of someone other than Allah. This won't be the end of SBW's religious development, esp if he's influenced by people with more strict/radical ideas.
It's also clear that he thought that having that conscientious objection clause available, meant that he could invoke that instantly, while - apparently - players need to make a request to NZR/their SR team first and obtain permission first. The fact that he didn't ask permission prior to taping off the logos seems to imply that he is either a very ignorant and impulsive person who didn't consider it properly, or a person who doesn't care about procedures and what his employers think about it.
I think you have to know him personally, like his team mates, to know what he's really like. I certainly won't form opinions about him by reading opinionated articles from journos. Just as I don't follow the fanboy hype around him, I won't let jealous/anti-religious/Islamophobic grudges influence me. Above all, I don't really care what he does or not, as long as he plays well when/if he gets to wear a black jersey again.How long will he be incapacitated when he gets the tatts removed? have the Blues factored this into the equation?
