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    Scott Barrett could be a good Nr.6 if he's given more time to settle there.

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    Yeah i don't think Tuipulotu could be considered - i think people underestimate just how quick Kaino is. Fifita or Barrett well worth a look, although I'd like to see Barrett get a bit more staunch on defence.

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    @mariner4life Kaino isn't used much in the lineout for the ABs, certainly not as often as he could be for someone his height. Read and Whitelock are the main targets with BBBR as the third option.

    I think our next long-term no.6 might be currently playing at 7 - Cane. A bit like Michael Jones' transition.

    Squire is probably the player they see as the backup blindside flanker at the moment but he still has plenty of work to do.

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    @Bovidae yeah Cane is a good call. He's the most Kaino like player i can think of.

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    Cane, Read, Surveyor?

    Could be worth a crack although I do also wonder if it weakens the lineout by lessening the possible targets for the opposition to watch.

    Given that Ardie is 6'10" shouldn't he be more proficient in the lineout?

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    @Bones He certainly hits like he's 10 kilos heavier.

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    @Crucial said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    Cane, Read, Surveyor?

    Could be worth a crack although I do also wonder if it weakens the lineout by lessening the possible targets for the opposition to watch.

    Given that Ardie is 6'10" shouldn't he be more proficient in the lineout?

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    @Crucial Either Cane or Surveyor could be used as a jumper, particularly if using the locks as lifters (ala the Chiefs).

    Remember McCaw was often used as a lineout target, as was Messam at the front, and both were secure enough. They are all of a similar height (minus the haircut of course).

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    So, um, has Liam Messam retired from the ABs while still being a Chief or what?

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    @MN5 Still available for selection.

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    @Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    @MN5 Still available for selection.

    Ah ok but not in the frame ?

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    @MN5 said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    @Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    @MN5 Still available for selection.

    Ah ok but not in the frame ?

    We'll see come selection time. He was off playing in Japan and then Sevens last year, so wasn't available for selection.

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    I think I read an interview where he said he would love to play in black again but his focus was on playing well for the Chiefs. Anything that came from that was a bonus.
    In other words he is not going out there with impressing the AB selectors in mind.

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    @Crucial said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    I think I read an interview where he said he would love to play in black again but his focus was on playing well for the Chiefs. Anything that came from that was a bonus.
    In other words he is not going out there with impressing the AB selectors in mind.

    Sounds like Rugby cliches 101 to me. I bet he's taking each game as it comes too.

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    @MN5 said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    @Crucial said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    I think I read an interview where he said he would love to play in black again but his focus was on playing well for the Chiefs. Anything that came from that was a bonus.
    In other words he is not going out there with impressing the AB selectors in mind.

    Sounds like Rugby cliches 101 to me. I bet he's taking each game as it comes too.

    |t will be a season of two halves.

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    @Bovidae said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    @Crucial Either Cane or Surveyor could be used as a jumper, particularly if using the locks as lifters (ala the Chiefs).

    Less the jumper that would be the issue, more the lifter. You need a primary lifter for each jumper. Kaino is a big lifter, so you swap him for a smaller guy who is not as strong you might not see it in Kainos lineout stats, but you'll see it in Whitelocks or Reads.

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    Back to Messam. It seems a given that SBW is gonna waltz back into the ABs despite as yet not making a Super Rugby appearance. LM has at least played this year yet he's not an auto pick like SBW?

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    Messam had lost his place since before the World Cup and barely made the squad though.

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    @Milk said in NZ Form XV after round 6:

    Messam had lost his place since before the World Cup and barely made the squad though.

    He's great as a "badass mother who don't take no crap off of nobody" waterboy though.

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    @No-Quarter If Julian gets in trouble again Messam has his back.

    I certainly wouldn't rule out Messam in the AB squad as the backup to Kaino. He would be a good shout to captain the Maori otherwise.

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