Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown & Dublin Duel
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What needs to be said, and Shag will do so behind closed doors, is that the ABs lost a game they should have won.
Sure, we were rats hit in first half, but at 29/33 the Irish were shattered and all which was required was composure and accuracy. In which case, we were looking at a 41-33 score line.
However, the AB backs were conspicuous by their lack of composure and errors crept in from trying to force things.
We needed a wise head in the midfield at that point, and even BB was complicit.
In fact, we were luckier to get out of jail in 2013 than we would have been if we'd won on Saturday.
That cold hard fact is hard to stomach.
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@pakman said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
What needs to be said, and Shag will do so behind closed doors, is that the ABs lost a game they should have won.
Sure, we were rats hit in first half, but at 29/33 the Irish were shattered and all which was required was composure and accuracy. In which case, we were looking at a 41-33 score line.
However, the AB backs were conspicuous by their lack of composure and errors crept in from trying to force things.
We needed a wise head in the midfield at that point, and even BB was complicit.
In fact, we were luckier to get out of jail in 2013 than we would have been if we'd won on Saturday.
That cold hard fact is hard to stomach.
Yeah, we were storming home, that 50 - 70 minute period we were blowing them off the park. Then from 70 onwards we just went off the boil with constant errors, until we gave Ireland a chance to clear, after which we made yet another error to give them the chance to seal it. The last 10 were very disappointing.
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@mariner4life said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
based on internet behaviour over the last 24 hours, i would like to congratulate Australia on their win over the All Blacks on the weekend
England did too apparently without even playing, because they beat Ireland this year .
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BTW.
I think Joseph Schmidt is one of the world's biggest cock gobblers. An absolute arsrhole who does not deserve any redemption. and deserves to fry in hell.
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.I may be overstating that just a tad but as far as I was concerned he could have been a better Patrol Leader at the 1981 NZ Scout Jamboree and given a little more support to the youngest member of his patrol ...
He is a piston wristed gibbon and shall remain so.
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Just made the 11 hour return drive to Toronto yesterday after watching the game with the wife and kids.
Weather was fantastic. Around 20 degrees, which was unseasonably warm. Two years ago at the AB v USA game it was around 3 degrees (but mercifully sunny at least – the day before that there had been wind, snow and rain).
We were near the front in row 7 right behind the goal posts at the Northern end. Great view of the action when the players were down near that end. But sod’s law they were up the other end for most of the game and when in the far end 22 it was easier to see happenings on the big screen, which we had a perfect end on view of. Overall I preferred the seats we had two years ago that were quite near the back but not too far off the half way line (although being that high up the first 5 metres from the sideline were obscured with the stadium being designed for the narrower American football fields).
Crowd was well behaved and seemed to be about 50/50 black v green jerseys however the green fans were way more vocal. I can’t talk here as I am the worst ABs supporter myself, quiet as a mouse giving them bugger all support. I just can’t get the noise out and spend most of the game with a glum look and my stomach in knots (this game and the game v Bokke at Twickers last year, both way too close for me).
Filing out of the stadium afterwards was strangely sombre. The Irish fans were not as jubilant as I thought they might be. I think most of them were still in shock at the enormity of the win. We didn’t stay out that late with the kids and the long drive back to do the following day but by 9pm with more beer flowing and the singing ramping up things were finally starting to get rocking down town when we called it an evening.
I found the thought of losing to Ireland was worse than the reality when it actually happened. My son though (10) was in bits. He has very little experience of the ABs losing and when they did lose it even after they (as confidently predicted) staged their come back from 8-30 to 29-33, the need to cheer him up after the loss gave me the distraction I needed from my own woes. It also somehow felt a bit better sharing the loss with thousands of others there than at home cursing away at the TV.
We were staying down town and the day before there had been (reportedly, and exaggerated probably) 5 million people watching the cubs celebration parade. It was a lot of people and impossible for us, and I’m sure the All Blacks as well, not to get caught up in. It was a real sea of humanity and we struggled just to get from point A to B even with all the roads closed. I felt this was a big reason the ABs were flat and could not get up for the game (that and Ireland showed great compassion and belief at the same time). 108 years waiting for the cubs and 111 for Ireland. There was a sense for me that the ABs, even if subconsciously, felt that a loss to Ireland given the context and history of what had just happened in the city that week might somehow be more forgivable than otherwise. The parade went right past the All Blacks’ hotel and they were out there soaking it up with the fans. In short, their game the following day was always going to be the anticlimax of the weekend whatever the result. History game them permission to lose this one. Anyway that is my wacky theory.
On a more practical level, I think they lost mainly because this is the first time since (when???) that neither BBBR nor S Whitelock took the field, and they really got out muscled badly in the tight exchanges in the first half, which was aggravated by the binning of Moody and losing Crotty, all of which they never really got over.
As for the haka: why didn’t Smith lead it? FFS hasn’t he been punished enough already? My Mrs thinks he will never be the same player again. Hope she’s wrong about that.
Ground announcement was that it was a record for a game of rugby in the United States. 62,700.
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Proceed with caution, trolls (Mark Watson) contained within
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11743884
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@Crucial said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Saw 'Mark Watson' didn't bother clicking.
Ratpoo's bestie.What he said. Didn't waste my time.
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if you were a pessimist, give it 4 weeks and it could sit up there as the worst season since 1998, but to paint it like that now?
I didn't read the article, just the headline and some of the comments on FB.
I have always thought he was a twat, the bile and vitriol he and some of his listeners spouted after the loss to Aus last year was something to behold, he was with his mate Twattue in calling for DCs head and claiming the coaches were ruining the careers of promising rugby players by persisting with the likes of DC, McCaw & Conrad.
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Have recovered enough from weekend to figure it was okay to make a reappearance here for the post-match analysis.
Have managed to see the whole game today without having having to peep through fingers. Great game of rugby and the response from New Zealand media and fans has been astonishing.
L:looking forward to Ireland v New Zealand - the Dublin Duel.
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That is some rancid bait from Watson. To be expected from our media these days. What a waste of oxygen they are. Worst season since 1998 just because we lost to an impressive Irish side - what a dick.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Great game of rugby and the response from New Zealand media and fans has been astonishing.
Most rugby people are good people. Don't believe what the media says - they are wind up merchants of the highest order.
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@nzzp said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland v NZ - Chicago Showdown:
Great game of rugby and the response from New Zealand media and fans has been astonishing.
Most rugby people are good people. Don't believe what the media says - they are wind up merchants of the highest order.
Agreed. I have a healthy level of disregard for a lot of media reporting. But, in fairness, the reports to date have been overwhelmingly positive and balanced. So credit where it's due.
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If you actually listened to Watson's rant it is far from bait. His key points were:
- The ABs will destroy Ireland in Dublin and learn from their mistakes.
- This loss will have a positive impact on the ABs performance against the Lions next year as they will learn from their mistakes.
- The winning streak title is dubious given many victories happened last season with a distinctly different side.
- If you factor in the Olympics (very important) - this was the worst year for the NZRU since 1998.
I would agree with all those statements except 2002 was clearly worse with the Smith resignation (and Mitchell/Deans appointment), woeful on field performance, Cantablacks caps and the subhosting debacle.
I don't find his opinion any more stupid than the "best of all time" nonsense that was getting thrown around earlier in the season by many pundits.
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@rotated In the 2 mins I heard he also laid the blame for the loss at pandering to AIG, said the notion that Hansen was the best AB coach ever was a joke , kept frothing about the Olympics loss, said Tew should resign immediately and hung up on a guy who said he was a bit strong.
If that's not a rant I don't know what is. RS is a joke station, staffed by typical Kiwi "celebrities" who know jack about sport, but Watson is the nadir. He makes Lose look good.
That's also a rant - but mine is far more accurate than Watson's
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@rotated Also - I think you might be getting your years mixed up. 2001 was when Smith resigned and Mitchell took over (end of year tour) and we failed to get any teams in the Super Rugby playoffs. 2002 was Cantablacks year I think (Crusaders were undefeated Super champions in 2002).
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Wasn't Watson the guy that got smashed in fight for life a while back? Let's see that again!
worse than 1998? Not even close. 2016 we won the Bled, TRC well before the end, lost to a spirited Ireland team without first second or third choice locks, without first choice MF or wing FB combination? (no disrespect to Ireland, they fully deserved the win but this is about us). Watson is a waste of bandwidth
