Nz maori
-
@mariner4life Wiki says he coach from 2004 to 2011 which is what came to my mind. This is right right? So he took them to a semi and final in his last years? Rennie comes in, puts his mark on the team, and they win 2 consecutive super titles. Now there is a coach and one I would not mind as a future AB coach and not Foster.
-
@broughie no, in that time he was coaching the Chiefs, a completely different team.
-
@mariner4life said in Nz maori:
@broughie no, in that time he was coaching the Chiefs, a completely different team.
Not following you. In what way was it different? You do agree though that Rennie is a superior coach?
-
@broughie holy shit dude. Waikato, a team in the NPC, representing the Waikato region, made up of Waikato club players. Coached by Ian Foster reasonably successfully in 02 and 03.
The Chiefs, a team competing in the Super rugby competition, nominally representing (but not really these days) Counties, BOP, Waikato, the Naki (now, but not then), and some smaller unions like the King Country. Coached by Ian Foster from 2004-2011. Not called Waikato by anyone except Phil Kearns, because that is not their name, and hasn't been since the 90s.As for the rest of your point, actually, i don't even know what your point is.
-
W
@mariner4life said in Nz maori:
@broughie holy shit dude. Waikato, a team in the NPC, representing the Waikato region, made up of Waikato club players. Coached by Ian Foster reasonably successfully in 02 and 03.
. Fuck. I know the difference between Waikato and the Chiefs.
The Chiefs, a team competing in the Super rugby competition, nominally representing (but not really these days) Counties, BOP, Waikato, the Naki (now, but not then), and some smaller unions like the King Country. Coached by Ian Foster from 2004-2011. Not called Waikato by anyone except Phil Kearns, because that is not their name, and hasn't been since the 90s.
Semantics. Ok the Chiefs. Get it. Super rugby not provincial. Corrected "Geez he had a good run with the Chiefs" Happy?
As for the rest of your point, actually, i don't even know what your point is.
I was responding to your point that "He took them to a final and a semi final in his two seasons with them, that's not too bad" which is part true because he coach the chiefs in Super Rugby (12 or 14) since 2004. So how was his record before taking them to the semi and final? You seemed like you were cherry picking or am I really missing the boat?
-
Foster was the first coach to take the Chiefs to the semis in their existence in 2004 I believe (losing to the eventual champion Brumbies) - and these were the days of 4 teams making the playoffs out of 12 - a solid effort. I believe one Adrian Cashmore played the semi final - that guy was a gun.
-
I actually think Foster did pretty damn well at the Chiefs, bar his last two seasons. Making the finals that first season after a couple of below par seasons previously really boosted the franchise from poor cousin status.
You're never going to get rid of a coach after making the Final (2009), and I'm not sure about the contract situation, but after 2010 they probably should've let him go after the monumental fall. Unless the plan from front office was to keep him on until Rennie was available.
-
You really seem to be hung up on "trophies = good coach" and "assistant coaching and NPC don't count". Based on your logic, Hansen was a mediocre coach up until 2012, when he magically became a good coach. Fact is, you can be a good coach without winning a trophy (Rennie didn't win shit with Manawatu, after all), you can be a good coach without being the head coach and the NPC isn't some backwater comp anyone can do well in.
While Fozzie's run with the Chiefs may not have ended up with any trophies and a lot of us were sick of him by the end, he was still by far the most successful Chiefs coach before Rennie came along. And while he may not be the AB head coach, he's still been given an area to coach and seems to have done pretty fucking well at it based on the results we've had.
-
Fuck we have some pointless debates on here. Credit to all involved.
-
The difference between Waikato and The Chiefs is not semantics, it is a very fucking important distinction. I'm a Chiefs supporter, but i despise those mooloo bastards and their god-awful jersey.
Foster was okay, he got us to a couple of finals series, which was fucking lofty for us then. We played some pretty fun rugby to watch, but when it went wrong (which was often) it was dire. We were the absolute best at being inconsistent, and our set piece was dogshit. Our backlines were often shit hot though.
By the end we all wanted rid.
Remember someones April Fools on here of Foster getting an AB gig? And we collectively lost our shit? That was pretty funny then. Now? well not so much.
-
You really seem to be hung up on "trophies = good coach" and "assistant coaching and NPC don't count". Based on your logic, Hansen was a mediocre coach up until 2012, when he magically became a good coach. Fact is, you can be a good coach without winning a trophy (Rennie didn't win shit with Manawatu, after all), you can be a good coach without being the head coach and the NPC isn't some backwater comp anyone can do well in.
While Fozzie's run with the Chiefs may not have ended up with any trophies and a lot of us were sick of him by the end, he was still by far the most successful Chiefs coach before Rennie came along. And while he may not be the AB head coach, he's still been given an area to coach and seems to have done pretty fucking well at it based on the results we've had.
Trophies do have significance though as it does reflect on a coaches ability to bring together a team. As you point out Rennie did not win any trophies with Manawatu but you could see that the his teams were well coached. And when given the opportunity to coach the Chiefs his impact was immediate. He put together a forward pack that were competitive and this complemented a great backline. Under Foster they were never known for a dominant or even competitive pack. He also was good enough to be recognize to coach the under 20's. There was such a difference after he arrived at the Chiefs. You could feel the difference. When Foster was added to the ABs there was a pretty significant majority on the Fern asking why. Maybe he is learning by being in the AB environment around Hansen and Smith. Good for him. Still hope they move in a different direction when Hansen leaves.
Some other coaches who have not won much are Keane and McDonald at the Mako$. I think these guys are going to be good coaches at higher levels too. Heck a team from a city of 50,000 now? is beating Auckland and other teams from bigger markets.
-
-
-
@mariner4life said in Nz maori:
The difference between Waikato and The Chiefs is not semantics, it is a very fucking important distinction. I'm a Chiefs supporter, but i despise those mooloo bastards and their god-awful jersey.
Bet you love the cow bells though. Who doesn't?
