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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    #758

    https://ccc.govt.nz/the-council/haveyoursay/show/514

    potentially should have been done a long time ago, will be interesting to see the results

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    https://ccc.govt.nz/the-council/haveyoursay/show/514

    potentially should have been done a long time ago, will be interesting to see the results

    Enough naysayers will now have a voice so I am expecting the project to at least be paused for further consultation. Christchurch ain't getting a stadium to be proud of.

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    @Crazy-Horse said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    @Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    https://ccc.govt.nz/the-council/haveyoursay/show/514

    potentially should have been done a long time ago, will be interesting to see the results

    Enough naysayers will now have a voice so I am expecting the project to at least be paused for further consultation. Christchurch ain't getting a stadium to be proud of.

    So a newer smaller cheaper design, taking how long to implement? Ten years?

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    #761

    over 11k responses in 4 days, plenty of people having their say

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    over 11k responses in 4 days, plenty of people having their say

    It'll probably delay it by another decade just to go through all the responses

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    25,000 people submitted.

    and this got published too

    Oliver Lewis

    New Christchurch stadium report raises 'critical issues', budget concerns

    New Christchurch stadium report raises 'critical issues', budget concerns

    Serious allegations have been made about the Christchurch stadium’s governance, budget and systems by the project’s former director in a newly unear...

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    Christchurch City Council research analyst Aimee Martin said today 30,500 submissions had been received on the stadium project - and 77 per cent were in support of ratepayers putting in more money.
    
    Jul 5, 2022

    Submissions show strong support for increasing stadium budget

    Submissions show strong support for increasing stadium budget

    The people have spoken - and most want to increase the planned Christchurch stadium budget by another $150 million.

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    Christchurch City Council research analyst Aimee Martin said today 30,500 submissions had been received on the stadium project - and 77 per cent were in support of ratepayers putting in more money.
    
    Jul 5, 2022

    Submissions show strong support for increasing stadium budget

    Submissions show strong support for increasing stadium budget

    The people have spoken - and most want to increase the planned Christchurch stadium budget by another $150 million.

    Wow I’m surprised, good news

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    @Machpants so am i if im honest

    they do need to get on with it now, one way or the other, theyd probably cop less flak if theyd build a smaller or uncovered one ages ago rather than dangling this awesome option out there but not actually building it

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    #767

    who would take on a fixed price contract in the current climate, unless your price is way above market?

    Sure you price in contingencies, but the world be crazy and prices escalating, and the time frames involved here...

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129249542/fixedprice-contract-negotiated-for-christchurch-stadium

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    @taniwharugby this is what the council probably wanted, get buy in for increasing the budget so they can get a fixed price negotiated and hand it all off to someone else, if it comes in under budget (ie wasted money) they get to say they asked and everyone was fine with it...and if it goes over then its the contractors problem

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    @taniwharugby said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    who would take on a fixed price contract in the current climate, unless your price is way above market?

    Sure you price in contingencies, but the world be crazy and prices escalating, and the time frames involved here...

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/129249542/fixedprice-contract-negotiated-for-christchurch-stadium

    actually read it

    Bragg said securing this contract meant there was a “very, very low” chance of ratepayers having to stump up more money in the future, if councillors decide to spend an additional $150 million now.
    

    not exactly "Fixed" then is it!

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    If it’s fixed price and prices go up, the options are

    1. construction company makes a loss. They will do all they can to avoid this, so

    2. they use inferior quality (cheaper) materials and/or cut corners

    3. or they themselves negotiate fixed prices or discounts with suppliers…for suppliers then see 1 and 2

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    Decision day happening at the moment.

    I hope @shark is there supporting the cause (or what’s left of it)

    It will be a disgrace if they don’t go ahead

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    @Hooroo isn't it decided? i thought they'd agreed the new contract

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    @Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    @Hooroo isn't it decided? i thought they'd agreed the new contract

    Nah. They are deciding today. It’s live on stuff.

    Non binery folk aren’t supportive, it appears. (This was in the submission a few moments ago)

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    #774

    @Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    @Kiwiwomble said in Stadium of Canterbury:

    @Hooroo isn't it decided? i thought they'd agreed the new contract

    Nah. They are deciding today. It’s live on stuff.

    Non binery folk aren’t supportive, it appears. (This was in the submission a few moments ago)

    Interesting, you'd think that they wouldn't assume it as a yes / no distinction.

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  • HoorooH Offline
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    Council voted 13:3 in favour of spending the “fixed” $683m

    Yay. Build the damn thing

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  • nzzpN Online
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    That is a tremendous entertainment and terrible financial decision.

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