Stadium of Canterbury
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido you have no idea what you're fucken talking about. Do you think Chch will get every gig that currently goes to Dunedin? You're insane. FBS offers a deal which the CCC would have to match, and even then its very debatable what would happen. And you don't think if Chch had a large, state of the art stadium that we'd have a Tier 1 AB test most years if not every year?! Of course we would. All the historical Dunedin stats you're spouting are themselves garbage in an environment in which Chch has a new stadium. The thing they're going to build simply won't get all of those Dunedin gigs. And if they ran with something closer to my idea then Chch would certainly get more AB tests than Dunedin, and a higher level of opposition more often.
To try and deny that a huge proportion of any Dunedin concert crowd is from Chch and in the same breath say that a Chch gig would be heavily patronised by other South Islanders, is ludicrous as it ignores the 400,000 or so Cantabrians that would be more interested in a local gig than the trauma of going to Dunedin (transport, accommodation etc). It makes absolute sense that a concert in a centre with that population is going to attract a vastly larger crowd of locals than a concert in a city with fewer more than 100,000. So the benefit to the region of said gigs is drastically less than it is to Dunedin. I was a little tongue in cheek re the car pooling but who in their right mind thinks a concert with 30,000 in attendance is going to have a greater economic benefit in terms of hospitality spend than a tier 1 AB test attracting 40,000, or even just 30,000 also? Plus tests are guaranteed to be on a Saturday night whereas your Macklemore or Fleetwood Mac gig could be a bloody Tuesday! And there will be plenty of car pooling on a weeknight, guaranteed!
Yes, if Chch stadium is roofed, I think Chch will get 95% of all gigs that are currently going to Forsyth Barr.
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Rapido Well it's going to have a roof, so we'll see. Even if Chch does get all the gigs, I still vehemently disagree with the concept and design.
Just out of curiosity, and I’m kind of on your train of thought here, why is it such a big deal?
In terms of living life why does it matter if you miss out on a ticket to a live rugby game? I don’t get the angst.
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@Hooroo My problem with the design is that it's a knee-jerk reaction to an out of context concert argument, it's drastically under-sized, will be far from easy on the eye, and has been allowed to slip through on the back of the pro-MUA politicians taking advantage of our absolute disdain for the temporary dump we have had since 2012. People in general have blindly gone along with the idea that a roofed arena is the only way forward. I think punters think it's gonna look really cool, be state of the art and they'll be able to choose between Billy Joel and Pink every week. Most also mistakenly believe that this arena will bring the All Blacks back consistently, and it might get us a test most years, but not Tier 1, and there are no guarantees of an annual game at all when competing at the same level as FBS, Waikato, Albany and even Napier.
Mark my words: most of the all-too-trusting passive bystanders now, will be up in arms when they see how little we get for $500m and how dysfunctional it is. By the end of this decade there'll already be talk of a larger open arena being required. Sadly, the conversation about that option never went anywhere. I'm yet to be told by anybody where to find the feasibility study into anything other than the MUA.
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Does anybody know how much of the cost is earthquake proofing?
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https://www.otakaroltd.co.nz/anchor-projects/stadium/
The pre-feasibility study is there. Turns out the main reason for a roof is because Canterbury Rugby wanted one although it will also help with concerts. Would be another $120 million or so for 30,000 permanent seats + temp seating. Not sure that will make any difference to getting tests - we're only ever going to get 1 per season because any spares will be in Auckland.
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The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
You can see the future now though as it will be built as described and the demand for a ticket in the first few weeks will be high due to it being new and those that miss out will scream blue murder for not building a bigger stadium and then after a few weeks they won't sell out.
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@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
You can see the future now though as it will be built as described and the demand for a ticket in the first few weeks will be high due to it being new and those that miss out will scream blue murder for not building a bigger stadium and then after a few weeks they won't sell out.
And that's the thing. I go to the footy to see the game - and I don't give a passing thought to whether the stadium is cool or not. In the end you end up sitting in a plastic seat with fuck all leg room.
Might be a bit of a wild thought, but from what I've seen, one of the real growth areas is E-Sports. I saw some footage of some sort of World Championship of Fortnite and the place looked nearly sold out. Presumably a roof would be handy for those sorts of events.
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@nzzp said in Stadium of Canterbury:
this was interesting. Average 5 year attendance is 12,000. That includes finals games of course, that drag up the numbers.
And this is in an absolute dump of a facility, taking into account also the utter boring Smallbladder style we played through 2015 & 16.
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@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
Don't forget the temperature/wind chill and dewy/wet ground during night games (factors a covered stadium help solve).
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@shark said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Kirwan said in Stadium of Canterbury:
@Hooroo said in Stadium of Canterbury:
The more I think about it the more I think it's the right idea to have a boutique type of stadium. We have enough large stadiums in the country not being filled to capacity save for once a year if they get a test match. Sport attendance is on the wane rather than on the increase too.
That's a fair point, especially considering Crusaders fans stayed away from quarter and semi finals as well. If you don't sell those sorts of games out in a small ground, it does undercut the demand for a larger stadium.
Have you been to Orange Theory stadium, especially at the time of year finals are played? Exposed all the way around the ground, exposed in the stands, view blocked by structural posts, the least space available I've ever encountered in any stadium seat, in your big jacket next to your mate in his big jacket?
Sounds though if it had a roof, it would have been perfect
