Aussie Pro Rugby
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@nepia said in Aussie Rugby in general:
FFS man, are you just being a dick or do you really think Allardice making inappropriate comments to his teammates which are overheard by the public is similar to posting comments on social media?
Lets try a different tack on this: if people overhear/ read the same comment, explain the difference as you see it.
Can't be arsed discussing this if you think talking to your mates and sending a comment out via a public social media app is the same thing.
FFS. I give you an opportunity to explain why you see them as being different and you take the time to write a response doing anything but. The point isn't that Allardice said something to his mates, it's that the public heard it. The same public that could read Folau's bigotry.
The difference being that Allardice's comment wasn't meant to be heard by the public, while Folau's comments clearly were.
Sweet. So be a raging homophobe with your mates, even attack any of them that are gay. All A-OK. But make a comment reciting the bible on social media and you've got hell to pay.
I'm surprised you are defending Allardice.
Where did I say that it's all okay? And where did I defend Allardice? Oh, right, I didn't!
You say that Weber is not virtue signaling despite the obvious difference in the way he handled both events. And to back that up, your saying that the reason he didn't take a big virtuous public stance over Allardace is because Allardice's words were not meant to be overheard, whereas Folau recited a verse from the bible on social media.
Did I get that right? So only take a public stance if someone is displaying homophobic behaviour on social media, but not if they do it in other parts of life despite it being overheard and widely reported?
Edit - and don't try and tell me Weber couldn't send Folau a private message. That's absurd.
Edit #2 - anyway my point was that Weber's comments are clearly just bullshit virtue signaling, and it took about 5 minutes for someone to unearth his hypocrisy. Not worth debating that any further as it's more just an opinion.
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@taniwharugby Yeah but I think he's smart enough to realise what it all means for his playing career and for internal team dynamics.
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@barbarian and possibly had a word from higher up I expect....ARU higher up, not the big ones at the very top of their belief structure
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I wonder if Pocock (or any other Wallaby) realises that a Weber-esque statement could risk alienating a fair chunk of his team-mates, who look up to Folau both on and off the field.
I was wondering if Weber had thought about that?
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@unite Yeah so did I. You'd have to think Folau's views would be shared by a few Chiefs as well.
Highly likely you would expect.
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@unite Maybe I'm naieve, but I'd hope that Weber's team mates - even if they agree with Folau's opinions - would have the understanding that expressing those opinions the way Folau did can be hurtful to others, like Weber. And that hurt caused by statements like Folau's, can lead to an (emotional) reaction such as Weber's.
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@unite Maybe I'm naieve, but I'd hope that Weber's team mates - even if they agree with Folau's opinions - would have the understanding that expressing those opinions the way Folau did can be hurtful to others, like Weber. And that hurt caused by statements like Folau's, can lead to an (emotional) reaction such as Weber's.
Do you think Weber's comments - being disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs - could cause hurt?
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@no-quarter not sure it is as simple as being disgusted with differing religious beliefs, Folau has expressed a rather more extreme religious belief (isn't Pocock deeply religious too?)
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@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
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@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
Huh? Folau quoted a verse from the bible to answer the question, which states gay people will be judged by God. It doesn't get any more religious than that.
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@taniwharugby said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter not sure it is as simple as being disgusted with differing religious beliefs, Folau has expressed a rather more extreme religious belief (isn't Pocock deeply religious too?)
How do you define extreme? That belief is widely held among Christians, and even more so among Muslims. Not saying it's right, in fact I strongly disagree with them, but it's not exactly restricted to a fringe element of people.
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I don't see the issue with any of this. Falou said what he thinks, Weber said what he thinks. Both are right to do so. I would draw the line at either getting punished of silenced. And especially sponsors withdrawing. But as it stands currently... meh
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@stargazer said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@no-quarter He didn't say he was disgusted by having to play rugby with people that have differing religious beliefs. He said he was disgusted by having to play rugby with someone who says people he (Weber) cares about go to hell for being gay.
Huh? Folau quoted a verse from the bible to answer the question, which states gay people will be judged by God. It doesn't get any more religious than that.
Apparently you have a problem reading, so I'll quote Weber's tweet again:
My cousin and her partner, and my Aunty and her partner are some of the most kind, caring & loving people I have ever had the pleasure of knowing. To think that I play against someone that says they'll go to Hell for being gay disgusts me.
Nowhere, he's saying that he's disgusted by having to play rugby with people with beliefs that differ from his (whether those beliefs are religious or not).
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@Stargazer The "says they'll go to Hell for being gay" part is the religious belief. He is disgusted that he has to play rugby with someone that holds this religious belief which differs from his own ideas. I don't think I can explain it any better than that?
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Stargazer The "says they'll go to Hell for being gay" part is the religious belief. He is disgusted that he has to play rugby with someone that holds this religious belief which differs from his own ideas. I don't think I can explain it any better than that?
He doesn't say that he is disgusted that he has to play rugby with someone who holds this religious belief. He is disgusted that he has to play with someone who expresses that belief (the way Folau has).
I never said Folau's words weren't inspired by his religion. That's not the point. The point is that he expressed his religious beliefs, publically, in a way that is hurtful (and potentially harmful) to people. That's clearly what Weber was responding to; not the fact that Folau holds that belief, or the belief itself.
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@Stargazer right, I understand your point now - thanks for clarifying. Weber is disgusted to have to play rugby with people that express their religious beliefs if those beliefs don't align with his own world view. Sounds suspiciously like bigotry to me.
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@no-quarter said in Aussie Rugby in general:
@Stargazer right, I understand your point now - thanks for clarifying. Weber is disgusted to have to play rugby with people that express their religious beliefs if those beliefs don't align with his own world view. Sounds suspiciously like bigotry to me.
No, that's not what I'm saying. And I think you know that. You come across as quarrelsome, so this is my last response to you on this matter.
It's not about his (Weber's) world view or whether that world view is different from Folau's. It's about Folau expressing these particular beliefs the way he has and the hurtful (and potentially harmful) effect that has on people Weber cares about (and therefore on him).
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So in summation, posting bible extracts on Instagram hurts people's feelings. People that wouldn't see it unless you pointed it out to them. And professional rugby players posting bible extracts on Instagram disgusts Weber.
Yes I'm being slightly facetious.
@taniwharugby said in Aussie Rugby in general:
My guess is he will head to Europe (although NRL is an option too) Aus will lose one of their best rugby players and the Silver Ferns will lose their best netballer...
Probably the greatest crime in the entire saga.
@nta said in Aussie Rugby in general:
I was having a beer with @mariner4life and one of his QLD buddies recently in Surry Hills, and their eyes nearly popped out of their head when I said there was only 1 development officer for Western Sydney.
One person. Western Sydney.Which is near criminal when you see the talent pool out there and the repeated floggings handed out to the Emus. I'm genuinely surprised the club still exists.
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Fuck yes! NSW Sport Grant funding secured!
The club will still wear a bit of a cost BUT I can offer free rego ($30 for shorts and socks) this year.
And because our division only features 5 clubs with 2 Grades (of eight) we pay Pro-rata for the second grade.
Still have to pay full insurance for both grades tho
Donation of $5000 to the kids hospital is basically the only "big" outgoing this year.
