Aussie Pro Rugby
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At half-time (16-6), I was convinced we were going to win that game. I thought we were in the game, that we were dominating this Welsh team physically. Unfortunately, I'm back to Australian education and Super Rugby: right at the start of the second half, we took a penalty that put us at -13. And the players let go. They're used to letting go.
In Top 14, there's the defensive bonus. You hang on to get back to within five points. That doesn't exist with them. They're not used to staying in the game. But 13 points is nothing! These players have a bad habit of giving up. It's unconscious. This state of mind has to change. And to do that, you have to be used to training harder, being under pressure and, tactically, having scenarios to play more often.This was a very telling observation. Very direct and not what we are used to hearing but see it happen.
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@ACT-Crusader huh... isn't there two losing bonus points available in super rugby?
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@Bones said in Aussie Rugby:
@ACT-Crusader huh... isn't there two losing bonus points available in super rugby?
Well not practically.
You can get one for losing within 7, but we haven't had the 4 try one for a few years.
Must score 3 tries more than your opponent to get the other BP.
And I think it only counts if you win. So you can't score 3 unconverted tries to your opponent's 6 penalty goals and get 2BPs.
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@NTA https://super.rugby/superrugby/about-super-rugby/tournament-format/
Sure about that? Even so, there's still the points for losing by 7 or less, so I'm confused why he would say championship has it over super rugby in that regard. Or have I got it arse about face?
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@ACT-Crusader said in Aussie Rugby:
At half-time (16-6), I was convinced we were going to win that game. I thought we were in the game, that we were dominating this Welsh team physically. Unfortunately, I'm back to Australian education and Super Rugby: right at the start of the second half, we took a penalty that put us at -13. And the players let go. They're used to letting go.
In Top 14, there's the defensive bonus. You hang on to get back to within five points. That doesn't exist with them. They're not used to staying in the game. But 13 points is nothing! These players have a bad habit of giving up. It's unconscious. This state of mind has to change. And to do that, you have to be used to training harder, being under pressure and, tactically, having scenarios to play more often.This was a very telling observation. Very direct and not what we are used to hearing but see it happen.
Deluded though IMHO
I was at the stadium watching it live from an excellent vantage point and after our early try I relaxed
I knew we had the match at that point
In the same way that I knew we were going to lose to Australia a couple of minutes before halftime last Autumn
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
But then you have to ask: which dumb fluffybunny will line up for the job next?
You'd have to be as thick as mince to take that job on now.
In today's job market to get a contract like Eddie; huge salary, no apparent KPI, great travel, contract for 5 or more years, boss protecting you because his own job depends on it ... sounds rather good to me
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
But then you have to ask: which dumb fluffybunny will line up for the job next?
You'd have to be as thick as mince to take that job on now.
In today's job market to get a contract like Eddie; huge salary, no apparent KPI, great travel, contract for 5 or more years, boss protecting you because his own job depends on it ... sounds rather good to me
Yeah, see your point. Any old coach would do. Plus non-one would notice if you simply walked away if the pile of poo turned out to be worse than you thought...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Aussie Rugby:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
But then you have to ask: which dumb fluffybunny will line up for the job next?
You'd have to be as thick as mince to take that job on now.
In today's job market to get a contract like Eddie; huge salary, no apparent KPI, great travel, contract for 5 or more years, boss protecting you because his own job depends on it ... sounds rather good to me
Yeah, see your point. Any old coach would do. Plus non-one would notice if you simply walked away if the pile of poo turned out to be worse than you thought...
I don't want to sound bitchy, but it would have to be a coach as evil as the left testicle of Satan or as incompetent as Frank Spencer Junior to drag the Wallabies any lower. Form gone, confidence gone, senior leaders booted, musical chairs captaincy, major confusion in key positions, board under a cloud...
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@nostrildamus that's it then. Foster to ARU, along with the bledisloe in 2024.
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@Bones said in Aussie Rugby:
@nostrildamus that's it then. Foster to ARU, along with the bledisloe in 2024.
are we that
cruelgenerous? Edit: I mean up to now we've only been sending them coaches who could win things.. -
Most of the local rugby aficionados here breathed a sigh of relief when he fucked off
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Rugby:
@Bones said in Aussie Rugby:
@nostrildamus that's it then. Foster to ARU, along with the bledisloe in 2024.
are we that
cruelgenerous? Edit: I mean up to now we've only been sending them coaches who could win things..I don't know why they wouldn't want a coach fresh off the back of winning a world cup.
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@Daffy-Jaffy oof. I'm picking he'll love that.
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@Daffy-Jaffy said in Aussie Rugby:
In Super Rugby, you play a maximum of fifteen matches a year. There's very little continuity.
I so agree with this. And I am pretty anti how much 'rest' our guys get, although in some cases the NH is too far the other way. I will, once again, call for 5 Oz, 2 PI, 8ish NZ SR teams in SR. A full proper season, with the NPC gone, which will level the playing field, but still keep a lot of pro players in SH. With all teams at a similar level the comp will be better, and will grow together - see URC improvements. At that level we could safely reintroduce Arg and Japan.
Ireland do just fine with one pro layer, and so can we all in the SH. Ideally we would have SA as well, all 6 if they want, but that ship has sailed
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It echos what some of us were saying in the structure thread. Too little elite rugby for our players.
And too many easy games in that elite rugby.Our structure is totally cooked
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And the NZRU has tied themselves to this sinking ship
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@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Aussie Rugby:
In Super Rugby, you play a maximum of fifteen matches a year. There's very little continuity.
I so agree with this. And I am pretty anti how much 'rest' our guys get, although in some cases the NH is too far the other way. I will, once again, call for 5 Oz, 2 PI, 8ish NZ SR teams in SR. A full proper season, with the NPC gone, which will level the playing field, but still keep a lot of pro players in SH. With all teams at a similar level the comp will be better, and will grow together - see URC improvements. At that level we could safely reintroduce Arg and Japan.
Ireland do just fine with one pro layer, and so can we all in the SH. Ideally we would have SA as well, all 6 if they want, but that ship has sailed
Sounds like a good plan. Does that mean Hawkes The Current Bay now gets to keep the Shield/s if they cut the NPC?
We are even willing to give half to ARU to put something in the cabinet.
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@Magpie_in_aus said in Aussie Rugby:
@Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:
@Daffy-Jaffy said in Aussie Rugby:
In Super Rugby, you play a maximum of fifteen matches a year. There's very little continuity.
I so agree with this. And I am pretty anti how much 'rest' our guys get, although in some cases the NH is too far the other way. I will, once again, call for 5 Oz, 2 PI, 8ish NZ SR teams in SR. A full proper season, with the NPC gone, which will level the playing field, but still keep a lot of pro players in SH. With all teams at a similar level the comp will be better, and will grow together - see URC improvements. At that level we could safely reintroduce Arg and Japan.
Ireland do just fine with one pro layer, and so can we all in the SH. Ideally we would have SA as well, all 6 if they want, but that ship has sailed
Sounds like a good plan. Does that mean Hawkes The Current Bay now gets to keep the Shield/s if they cut the NPC?
We are even willing to give half to ARU to put something in the cabinet.
Nah, shield can be competed for at non pro level below
