Aussie Pro Rugby
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@barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA No, what he's saying is that the priority of schools isn't to be a part of a pathway.
Now that may be part of the overall systemic problem, but that isn't the schools fault nor should it be on them to fix it.
OK point taken. That being the case, perhaps schools could simultaneously cease activities that harm clubs (player restrictions) and work with the rest of the rugby scene to ensure retention.
EDIT: Because crowing about how many Wallabies you've produced, while actively engaging in behaviour that is harming our systems, is the highest evolution of Shitbird.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
i cant see why schools cant be part of the pathway
Rugby League does it - we have guys in our club who would play school midweek, club weekend for their local RL outfit.
Never a mention of "workload" or "burnout". Probably made some of them tougher.
I look at our top-level rugby injuries and wonder whether they needed more miles in the legs.
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
This morning felt like rock bottom for Australian rugby, it really did. And unfortunately for NZ, we are intrinsically tied to them.
There is significant danger that what we are seeing now is not a temporary blip, but the beginning of the end for the code as a serious force.
Everyone knows the current format is not working for them, and interest is at an all-time low. The problem is, what next? The ARU are broke, and it's already a case of community rugby paying up to fund the elite level, rather than the other way around. The two big football codes go from strength to strength, hoover up more fans and more resources, and spend heaps on development pathways. Rugby is two decades behind in this, and catch up is really hard to do.A little over 2 decades ago rugby was flying here. Wallabies were the World Cup holders, we had the Lions series that almost single-handedly re-vamped the concept. The 2003 world cup was one of the best ever. Since then a series of shithouse decisions has been made by i cavalcade of either Sydney investment bankers, or dangerously under-qualified old boys has reduced the code to it's current state, broke, hidden behind a streaming service, best players overseas, and no interest.
And we are slowly getting fucked because of it. Our super rugby teams are getting soft feeding on easy kills for half of the comp. Our skills are deteriorating because we don't need them more then 3 times a season. The Bledisloe lost its shine a decade ago. Super Rugby is going with it. And our major partner is staring down the barrell of irrelevance.
A big issue is, what is probably best for NZ is Australia do nothing, and just continue on the same path. Because the alternatives are a national reset, a process that would take a decade at least, and just further erode our only competition, or they just pack it in all together and leave us with nothing.
Huge danger signs for NZ rugby.
This is convincing me that we don't need to cull Aussie Super Rugby teams in order to be competitive with the Kiwis - just need to hang tight for a few years, until you regress to our level.
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@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
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No fun in that shit.
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@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
what do you mean by this?
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@mariner4life thanks...beat me too it
is it not a valid concern? a weak Aus doesn't affect NZ at all @MiketheSnow ?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
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@chimoaus yeah, how do they get tens of thousands of fans buying memberships? thats got to be how you become more financially stable, frontloading your income and giving you money...just for the rights to buy tickets before other people and some special merch
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@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
What are you talking about ?
Hearing “Why does love do this to me?” for the sixty millionth time is as awesome as the first time I heard it.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
What are you talking about ?
Hearing “Why does love do this to me?” for the sixty millionth time is as awesome as the first time I heard it.
Not all DJs are that good
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
what do you mean by this?
Tier 2 Nation?
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@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
what do you mean by this?
Tier 2 Nation?
Us?I read it as Aus being Tier 2, not Wales.
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Yep I was talking about Australia.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
how do they get tens of thousands of fans buying memberships?
tribalism.
Long held attachments to teams. Families supporting, with kids and grandkids. Teams for life.
Hint: thye don't call them franchises. They don't transfer unions to other franchises. They keep branding and names the same forever. They care about their fans. Hell - they usually have a club you can physically turn up to!
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@mariner4life
Cheers for posting this.
In the big picture this is bad, it's exposed all parts of Australian rugby, management, structure, player depth.
I'm worried they will close shop and go internal and ditch Super Rugby.
Can they bounce back like England did in 4 years?NZR have there own issues which they need to confront over the next few months, if we both dont get sorted, coupled with this could lead to a collapse in SH rugby.
I worry that we are going to let overseas players be available for selection, while I'd love the top players available for the ABs, I also want a strong domestic comp to go watch each week. -
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@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
I kind of understand what Mike is saying here.
Look Wallabies lost to a much better team yesterday, and so some of us are worrying about how it effects us as kiwi rugby men. It's not really fair is it.
Other thing I will say, and mainly to @NTA and Aus mates, see although it a disappointing result, it was that , a disappointing result, the sun still came up this morning, and so it's not too bad. I know and have said Aus rugby has problems, but they aren't just because a good Welsh team deservedy beat them yesterday, the problems are no worse today than they were last month or day before yesterday. -
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@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
I kind of understand what Mike is saying here.
Look Wallabies lost to a much better team yesterday, and so some of us are worrying about how it effects us as kiwi rugby men. It's not really fair is it.
Other thing I will say, and mainly to @NTA and Aus mates, see although it a disappointing result, it was that , a disappointing result, the sun still came up this morning, and so it's not too bad. I know and have said Aus rugby has problems, but they aren't just because a good Welsh team deservedy beat them yesterday, the problems are no worse today than they were last month or day before yesterday.Quite right. Getting to the semi-finals of this World Cup would have been the equivalent of putting a sticking plaster over a gunshot wound.
There are some systematic issues in Australian Rugby that need to be working on, that have finally caught up with the Wallabies. I find the revisionism that if they had Rennie, Foley, Cooper, Hooper etc. all would have been well. Would they have beaten Fiji? Probably, but they probably still would have crashed out in the quarters to England, which only really feels better.
I feel Jones was looking longer-term, and decided that this group of players if all went right could have done something really special. The players not picked IMO, would not have had a material tournament to make them win it. They just don't have the overall squad of players at the moment. Those coming through do actually look promising, and could achieve something really special over the next four years, but to do that, some good decisions are going to be made in the next couple of months.
The fact that Jones is looking to Japan, to me says a lot about those above him. Why is he looking to jump ship, after effectively getting everything he could ever want? Hamish McLennan is clearly an absolute asshole, and a nuisance to work with. On a power trip. Is Jones perfect? No. But I still firmly believe, he is the man to turn things around for Australia, if they stick with him - on the proviso he wants to stay. I get the feeling though, that one of those two has to go. I'd stick with Jones, he is an Australian rugby legend, who you know will work his ass off to turn things around. He might be a bit of a cock in the media, but the journalists always fail to consider why he does it. He's taking the spotlight away from the young squad, it is the oldest trick in the book. As opposed to seeing articles slating the performances of Donaldson, Gordon, etc. you were reading about Eddie.
It isn't Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, it is distraction, distraction, distraction. I have immense respect for the man. If they appoint a decent C.E.O, and some sensible people around him/her to restructure their domestic game, be that chopping a Super side or two, reforming an NRC style comp, and let Eddie do his thing, I seriously think they could win that World Cup.
The alternative of sticking with McLennan, who is a money hungry bastard on a power trip, would take them further away from where they need to get to IMO. Who'd end up being the next coach? Brad Thorn? Is that really better than Eddie Jones?
It is entirely possible Jones has done his dash, but until the end, he did pretty well with England, and even then, they didn't improve after he left, only stepping it up at the World Cup, which history would suggest quite possibly would have happened with Eddie. With the Wallabies, he joined a sinking ship. Rennie was doing some things right, but if he did more right, they wouldn't have chopped him. They lost to Italy for heavens sake. Eddie took some risks to refloat it, but unfortunately for him, the ship sunk further.
An interesting few months ahead, which could be fatal for Australian Rugby, which would be bad news for NZR, or on the flipside, could be the start of a really special time for the Wallabies. I bloody hope it is the latter, because though we hate losing, wouldn't it be good if the Bledisloe Cup was actually a contest.
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