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@rotated said in NH club rugby:
@sparky said in NH club rugby:
Gregor Townsend could be involved with the Lions tour to South Africa in 2021 which would open up a spot for Dave Rennie with Scotland.
Unlikely that would be anything more than a secondment for Townsend though - not sure how appealing the Scotland role is at all to be honest (Cotter walked away from it, best you can hope for is a series of well timed upsets). Getting a Scotland team with the best four players on Lions duty to tour around Fiji and Japan for a few weeks hardly sounds like worth hanging around for.
It really depends what Rennie's long term aspiration is. He hasn't followed the traditional path by any stretch - he could have written his own ticket in European club rugby as early as 2000 but did the IRANZ thing and waited a long time for his crack above NPC level.
It wouldn't shock me at all if Rennie would see an AB assistant role (dependent on the HC) as a better landing spot than grinding it out in the 6N. Caveat to all of this being if England bomb out and Eddie goes I could see anyone outside of Foster and Schmidt taking that role if offered. In most ways it is a better gig than being part of the ABs set up following the last 12 years.
That's a kind way of putting it. Another view might be Cotter didn't get his contract renewed because they wanted to bring Toonie in so they didn't lose him from Scottish rugby and he'd done his time at the Weegies.
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@taniwharugby Jeez, that's bad
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@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
@taniwharugby Jeez, that's bad
Absolutely terrible. This is going to bring in changes - before the World Cup I reckon.
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Perhaps the French should look at what they're doing wrong. And before WR have a knee-jerk reaction, they should determine the circumstances and see if a rule change would ensure it wouldn't have eventuated.
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@Derm-McCrum Is there some stats on rugby deaths world wide? Why is France doing so badly at it? Hopefully that'll be looked at, not knee-jerk... I'm not holding out much hope tho.
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I'd imagine Lima and Julian make a big impact at the dinner table though....
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@canefan I wonder if they are aware that most of the ABs they buy either have only a few caps for a reason, or the ones with a decent amount of caps, are usually past thier best...
Looking back, very few have left in thier prime, or at least still with more than just a couple of years left...McAlister, Piutau, Vito, Luatua, although the 2 latter had not established themselves as 1st choice ABs (for one reason or another...)
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@taniwharugby said in NH club rugby:
@canefan I wonder if they are aware that most of the ABs they buy either have only a few caps for a reason, or the ones with a decent amount of caps, are usually past thier best...
Looking back, very few have left in thier prime, or at least still with more than just a couple of years left...McAlister, Piutau, Vito, Luatua, although the 2 latter had not established themselves as 1st choice ABs (for one reason or another...)
I guess they figure they should still be better than the guys they have. It's lazy, like the ozzies when they used to pay hand over fist for their league converts, but it is easier than developing their own talent. Didn't I read somewhere that England has the highest player numbers at amateur level?
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@canefan highly likely, I was astounded at the number of clubs they have over there, the one I played for had 5 senior sides, yet on any given Saturday, 2 or 3 of them couldnt field a full team (one time we started with 13, and during the game one guy got 2 yellow cards, then a red...again, haha) and none of them wanted to be the team to be absorbed into the other 4...
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@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
Nice graphic, it'd be interesting to see the Japanese Top League and even SR (a smaller number) in there too.
@Derm-McCrum It would also be interesting to see the NZ list. I'm guessing that while there may be a lot of Samoa eligible players in the NZ system the actual country of birth numbers might be different?
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@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
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@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.
So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?
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@taniwharugby https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/09/rugby-union-injuries-latest-season-highest-level-15-years-concussions
Here the conclusion of less concussions but more time off required doesn't make sense to me. Far more likely to be a greater awareness of concussion, and player's now admitting symptoms or pushing back against staff trying to rush them back.
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:
On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.
Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?
I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.
I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.
First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.
So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?
Sorry about the tardiness.
England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
Ireland - 4 clubs
Wales - 4 clubs
Scotland - 2 clubs
Italy - 2 clubs
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@Catogrande said in NH club rugby:
@Machpants said in NH club rugby:
Nice graphic, it'd be interesting to see the Japanese Top League and even SR (a smaller number) in there too.
@Derm-McCrum It would also be interesting to see the NZ list. I'm guessing that while there may be a lot of Samoa eligible players in the NZ system the actual country of birth numbers might be different?
Yes. Those are the country of birth numbers. Plenty of players moved/grew up elsewhere, particularly NZ for PI-born players. Interestingly, they've recaptured their birth nationality to play in France so they meet the EU Contonou Agreement for APC nations (African, Pacific and Caribbean).
