All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham

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Yeah I don’t mind that at all.

[sparky]

1 Williams
2 Taylor
3 Lomax
4 S. Barrett (c)
5 Vaa'i
6 Sititi
7 Cane
8 A.Savea
9 Ratima
10 B. Barrett
11 Clarke
12. J. Barrett
13 R.Ioane
14 M. Telea
15 Jordan

16 Aumua
17 Tu'ungafasi
18 Tosi
19. Tuipolutu
20 Finau
21 Roigard
22 ALB
23 D. McKenzie

[Billy Tell]

Is De Groot injured?

[pakman]

I’d guess that EDG not a 💯. Perhaps also Fletch.

[sparky]

Talking points:

A 5-3 bench when England are going 6-2
No sign of De Groot
Vaii ahead of Patrick T
Sititi at 6 rather 8
Ratima at 9 ahead of Roigard
B. Barrett at 10 ahead of DMac
Will Jordan picked at 15 not 14.
No sign of Reece

[KiwiInLondon]

@sparky have a look at 15 again

[sparky]

@KiwiInLondon Thanks, typing error on my phone, edited.

[Billy Tell]

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Talking points:

A 5-3 bench when England are going 6-2
No sign of De Groot
Vaii ahead of Patrick T
Sititi at 6 rather 8
Ratima at 9 ahead of Roigard
B. Barrett at 10 ahead of DMac
Will Jordan picked at 14 rather than 15.
No sign of Reece

Vaii ahead of PT is not a talking point imo

[pakman]

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

Talking points:

A 5-3 bench when England are going 6-2
No sign of De Groot
Vaii ahead of Patrick T
Sititi at 6 rather 8
Ratima at 9 ahead of Roigard
B. Barrett at 10 ahead of DMac
Will Jordan picked at 14 rather than 15.
No sign of Reece

Vaa’i starts or not at all. Patty brings impact. So no surprise.
Must be one of the heaviest pack benches we’ve ever fielded.

[KiwiInLondon]

Those five forwards on the bench have a real opportunity to come on and boss the English. Last time at Twickenham that forwards on the bench (including our Lord and Saviour) lost us the game

[Jimmy Jimmy]

EDG not there I suspect is a fitness issue.
TJP now just a mentor.
Good to see Finau getting more minutes.

[sparky]

@Billy-Tell Maybe that's conversation. At the start of the year, we were worried about Lock. Now it's an area of strength.

[Jimmy Jimmy]

10 is now our only real worry

[sparky]

Is Finau best used off the bench?

[sparky]

@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

10 is now our only real worry

And complacency.

[sparky]

Will England find a way to run away from or past Mark Telea?

He's a great stepper, but his lack of top speed as been notable in other Tests this year.

[Mr Fish]

EDG's absence is a disciplinary thing apparently.

[Jimmy Jimmy]

@sparky said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

@Jimmy-Jimmy said in All Blacks Vs England, Twickenham:

10 is now our only real worry

And complacency.

True

[kpkanz]

God I hate the backline..

Beauden at 10..why? He is going to kick most the ball away, and barely gets our attack going compared to Dmac.

Last game against Aussie we looked decidedly average for the first 60 minutes he was leading. His passing is just quite poor. He shuffles and the rest of the backline pays the price.

And he's 33...so what is this working towards?

Jordie/Rieko continuing their tenure as guaranteed starting midfielders. No surprise the last 5 years we have struggled on attack coincides with when we decided to stick two midfielders who either can't pass or choose not to as our starting pair.

Why are we obsessed with ATHLETES at centre? Conrad was our best center ever and all he did was spend the entire game trying to set up players outside him.

Meh..

At least our pack is trending towards World Class

[KiwiMurph]

Once you factored in who didn't play vs Japan and injuries - a very predictable 23 outside of no EDG.