All Blacks EOYT
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@antipodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.
And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).
HIs fitness was a clear issue at the Blues where he played more minutes than anyone else...
Yeah, the Blues locks weren't regular AB picks (and one was playing on one leg), the hooker not looked at at all, the 7 can't keep his place in the ABs and has injury issues, so it must have been Akira who pushed his lazy-arsed fellow forwards all the way to the final
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@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.
And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).
I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.
Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
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@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.
And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).
I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.
Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
It's just lazy. It's rugby, not athletics. Sure you need a high degree of fitness, but it's only one aspect of the game. If we played with a little more control perhaps our players wouldn't be gassed by the last 20 minutes
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@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.
And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).
I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.
Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
It's just lazy. It's rugby, not athletics. Sure you need a high degree of fitness, but it's only one aspect of the game. If we played with a little more control perhaps our players wouldn't be gassed by the last 20 minutes
With Jonah’s notoriously slow 3km time. I wonder if Robertson would have ditched him!? 😂
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks EOYT:
@canefan said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@junior said in All Blacks EOYT:
@gt12 said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Frank said in All Blacks EOYT:
@No-Quarter
Fair points.
It still doesn't excuse Sotutu not getting fitter when he had been asked to.
"he didn’t even get close"
(chchfanatic's sources have been spot on)I’d be fascinated to find out what Cotter would say about his fitness.
And if the Blues wanted more weight on their forwards given their game plan (which worked).
I am really struggling to see how the guy who was the best player in super rugby is apparently not fit. Logically, it makes no sense that someone can play that well despite apparently being unfit.
Or, from the other aspect, why wouldn't you put someone playing that well, unfit, into your systems and get them to your desired fitness?
It's just lazy. It's rugby, not athletics. Sure you need a high degree of fitness, but it's only one aspect of the game. If we played with a little more control perhaps our players wouldn't be gassed by the last 20 minutes
With Jonah’s notoriously slow 3km time. I wonder if Robertson would have ditched him!? 😂
Caleb Ralph was a fantastic middle distance runner.
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Bad blood swirls as the All Blacks head north
New Zealand will be underdogs in at least two of their November Tests - and that has probably never happened before.
Robertson has had a chance to test his theories against top notch defence. Now he needs to go win some games on the EOYT to prove he belongs at this level. The standard is wins over England, Ireland, and France. Time is running out for him.
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@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
Bad blood swirls as the All Blacks head north
New Zealand will be underdogs in at least two of their November Tests - and that has probably never happened before.
Robertson has had a chance to test his theories against top notch defence. Now he needs to go win some games on the EOYT to prove he belongs at this level. The standard is wins over England, Ireland, and France. Time is running out for him.
Wins against all 3 at home in that window seems a big ask IMO.
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@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Tim I'm hoping for at least one statement performance on the EOYT where the ABs really put a good side away and giving them a hiding. The performances have been too patchy this year to get excited about.
Personally I'd rather see three close wins to the AB than one hiding.
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
@sparky said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Tim I'm hoping for at least one statement performance on the EOYT where the ABs really put a good side away and giving them a hiding. The performances have been too patchy this year to get excited about.
Personally I'd rather see three close wins to the AB than one hiding.
I'd actually accept a close loss or two if it meant we didn't go to pieces in the last 30-40minutes of games. Progress would be getting back to the sort of resilience we saw against Ireland and SA 12 months ago.
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@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
Bad blood swirls as the All Blacks head north
New Zealand will be underdogs in at least two of their November Tests - and that has probably never happened before.
Robertson has had a chance to test his theories against top notch defence. Now he needs to go win some games on the EOYT to prove he belongs at this level. The standard is wins over England, Ireland, and France. Time is running out for him.
Great article, as always. To me were still trying basically the same shit that hasn't worked for over half a dozen years. You can't outflank the blitz, I was really hoping that razor would move materially away from the 2015 attack. But we haven't, same sort of shit, we're just polishing the turd. We need to play more direct, off nine, more often than we do. But no, abs are too cool to play that way 🙄.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
We need to play more direct, off nine
I do hope that Roigard's availability might cause a shift to more of that style.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
Bad blood swirls as the All Blacks head north
New Zealand will be underdogs in at least two of their November Tests - and that has probably never happened before.
Robertson has had a chance to test his theories against top notch defence. Now he needs to go win some games on the EOYT to prove he belongs at this level. The standard is wins over England, Ireland, and France. Time is running out for him.
Great article, as always. To me were still trying basically the same shit that hasn't worked for over half a dozen years. You can't outflank the blitz, I was really hoping that razor would move materially away from the 2015 attack. But we haven't, same sort of shit, we're just polishing the turd. We need to play more direct, off nine, more often than we do. But no, abs are too cool to play that way 🙄.
There's no reason we can't be at least as good as every other country in that style of play, with the added benefit of being better in every other way.
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@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
We need to play more direct, off nine
I do hope that Roigard's availability might cause a shift to more of that style.
I think it's a team headspace thing
I've lost count of the number of times we are making progress close to the try-line, lose faith in ourselves to actually get the forwards over the try-line and spin it seemingly out too early with the inevitable mistakes.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
We need to play more direct, off nine
I do hope that Roigard's availability might cause a shift to more of that style.
I think it's a team headspace thing
I've lost count of the number of times we are making progress close to the try-line, lose faith in ourselves to actually get the forwards over the try-line and spin it seemingly out too early with the inevitable mistakes.
The gameplan is set by the coaches. If Razor wanted us to play more direct we would be doing so. He's using the classic Wayne Smith gameplan
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
We need to play more direct, off nine
I do hope that Roigard's availability might cause a shift to more of that style.
I think it's a team headspace thing
I've lost count of the number of times we are making progress close to the try-line, lose faith in ourselves to actually get the forwards over the try-line and spin it seemingly out too early with the inevitable mistakes.
Or chip kick or kick pass 🤮
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@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Tim said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Machpants said in All Blacks EOYT:
We need to play more direct, off nine
I do hope that Roigard's availability might cause a shift to more of that style.
I think it's a team headspace thing
I've lost count of the number of times we are making progress close to the try-line, lose faith in ourselves to actually get the forwards over the try-line and spin it seemingly out too early with the inevitable mistakes.
Or chip kick or kick pass 🤮
From 90-10m out...
It is odd how Razor is using similar style as we have had, whereas his.super teams always played a style.more.akin to test rugby, and the tighter NH style too.
Hopefully we will see something different in the tour as he really needs to stamp his own style on the team, which as many have said, his continued selection of some players seems he is simply following the same.path we have for 5 -7 years.
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@Victor-Meldrew If we lose to England I'll be devastated.
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If Sititi plays a blinder against Japan I'd throw caution to the wind and swap Savea to 6 v England.
Sititi - Roigard/Ratima- DMac is quite a handful for any team to deal with.
