All Blacks EOYT
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey Sititi doesn’t have a history of failures. Akira does, and Sotutu has been pretty bloody average in NPC. There isn’t any consistency. Neither stand out when the team struggles. They haven’t done anything to warrant selection other than be in the biggest forward pack in the competition. Take the advantage away and I suspect the same thing will happen as it always does
Oh yes, NPC form over super rugby form counts for more, I forgot about that.
Hoskins Sotutu led the Blues comeback when they were well on the backfoot against the Reds this year, coming back from nowhere to win (one or the few times we were under immense pressure this season). He wasn't missing then. Akira was a standout in some awful Blues teams before they turned things around in 2020 (when he got some help) and became competitive again. Ancient history yes, but he stood out in a struggling team for a few years, where you claimed he never did.
Akira's gone, whatever, it is what it is. Sotutu however, as I have stated many times should at least be in the squad, and they should be trying to iron out problems they have with him, not just shaft him into oblivion, he's far too much of a talent to leave in the cold.
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@KiwiInLondon said in All Blacks EOYT:
@African-Monkey so you either go with the young guy who shows some talent or two blokes who spend more time on Instagram than they do training? At least Robertson had the balls with the selections for this one part. Both Sotutu and Akira are brats
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
Akira can be talked about to the sun goes down he is gone no point it will not change anything.
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
If is all just fluff they ain’t going to be there.
better move on before it does your head in.What's the point of having a forum then lol. Forums are for arguing haha, none of it's personal or anything, infact I quite enjoy seeing both sides of the arguments on here, including me currently arguing with @KiwiInLondon haha.
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
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I'd like players who have been in form and dominating their peers.
BTW Sititi's game against Argentina was a failure. He came on when we were winning and gave away 3 penalties in 20 minutes. Akira Ioane has never played a game like that for the AB's where he's come on and been a major contributing factor to a loss.
The reality is that Sititi and the other AB loose forwards got dominated in the collisions in that Bok game too - the game where we failed to score a single try for the first time since 2018.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
Exactly. Why not at least try someone like Sotutu off the bench? Especially with the problems we've had with our bench.
Razor is claimed by his fans to get the best out of players, does he not back himself to get the best out of Sotutu?
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
I don't expect you too.
I'm talking more about discussion points.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
Akira can be talked about to the sun goes down he is gone no point it will not change anything.
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
If is all just fluff they ain’t going to be there.
better move on before it does your head in.What's the point of having a forum then lol. Forums are for arguing haha, none of it's personal or anything, infact I quite enjoy seeing both sides of the arguments on here, including me currently arguing with @KiwiInLondon haha.
Of course but the same two players being mention every time gets boring.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
I don't expect you too.
I'm talking more about discussion points.
Maybe the coaches just know more than we do about the situation
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
I don't expect you too.
I'm talking more about discussion points.
Maybe the coaches just know more than we do about the situation
Maybe. And maybe they are stubborn and overly conservative.
The issue is 'their way' isn't working when it comes to the loose forwards.
Sititi aside the loosies have been disappointing especially as the tight 5 have been a bright spot.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
I don't expect you too.
I'm talking more about discussion points.
Maybe the coaches just know more than we do about the situation
Maybe. And maybe they are stubborn and overly conservative.
The issue is 'their way' isn't working when it comes to the loose forwards.
Sititi aside the loosies have been disappointing especially as the tight 5 have been a bright spot.
The thing is we just do not know the full story.
So it is all speculative. -
There's no justification for leaving Akira and Sotutu out, and it really surprises me that people are bending over backwards trying to justify it given 1) it weakens the ABs and 2) our biggest weakness is in the loosies, costing us games this year.
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@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
I don't expect you too.
I'm talking more about discussion points.
Maybe the coaches just know more than we do about the situation
Maybe. And maybe they are stubborn and overly conservative.
The issue is 'their way' isn't working when it comes to the loose forwards.
Sititi aside the loosies have been disappointing especially as the tight 5 have been a bright spot.
The thing is we just do not know the full story.
So it is all speculative.Sure.
But that's the case with any coaching selection issue to anyone not on the inside.
What isn't speculative is the performance of the loosies..
Questions will remain whilst that is the case.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris said in All Blacks EOYT:
And Sotutu is not going to be in this squad under these coaches no matter how many people say he is the greatest no.8.
The question is why
Why are the coaches so blinkered?
Why could Cotter get Akira and Sotutu firing?
I found myself watching Sotutu on the weekend throw offloads and cut out balls wondering what value he could add to a 6-2 bench - wondering how would someone like Rassie utilise his skillset
Meanwhile our bench adds fuck all for the first 5 tests of The Rugby Championship
I can’t answer that .
I don't expect you too.
I'm talking more about discussion points.
Maybe the coaches just know more than we do about the situation
Maybe. And maybe they are stubborn and overly conservative.
The issue is 'their way' isn't working when it comes to the loose forwards.
Sititi aside the loosies have been disappointing especially as the tight 5 have been a bright spot.
The thing is we just do not know the full story.
So it is all speculative.Sure.
But that's the case with any coaching selection issue to anyone not on the inside.
What isn't speculative is the performance of the loosies..
Questions will remain whilst that is the case.
Yep that is true.
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@Jet said in All Blacks EOYT:
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Fuck's sake Razor, grow a pair.
Razor is everything I thought he wasnt going to be.
Im baffled.
New broom, same as the old broom.
I really think he is starting to look like a spoofer.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:
There's no justification for leaving Akira and Sotutu out, and it really surprises me that people are bending over backwards trying to justify it given 1) it weakens the ABs and 2) our biggest weakness is in the loosies, costing us games this year.
There’s every justification for leaving akira out. Never really performed at AB level, heading overseas. We’ve already seen more from Sititi then we ever saw from akira.
Sotutu didn’t watch super this year so no comment on form but he also never made his mark at AB level albeit with fewer opportunities than Akira. Apparently not really lighting up NPC.
Plenty of players look good at super and dud at international so you can’t extrapolate and say he would be amazing if only he’d been given the chance. If he gets named in AB XV he better be freaking amazing.
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks EOYT:
Robertson mentioned that Hotham is better off playing for the AB XV than just being a squaddie, and that applies to Lakai too.
But if TJP continues to make the test 23 we know we're fucked.
Differs player to player I suppose. Probably a fair call with Hotham on the basis that Roigard probably plays the Japan test, and then probably plays the next 3 all going well. He has already spent time with the ABs, so actually playing would be good for him
If that does come to pass, is TJP on the pine? Or Cortez?
If it's Cortez, what is the point of bringing TJP?
