All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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15 will be very interesting, for me BB has slipped in the rankings but I suspect they will choose him if they chance newbies elsewhere-a shame, I think he plays better off the bench.
At wing Clarke is clearly no 1 but sadly I still think Rieko is in the top 2 or 3 wingers so far, sadly as wasn't he mostly an 11 as well? Reece might be ok against Australia but not so useful against SA England and France.
13 is interesting as Proctor is worth a look and did well with ALB but ALB isn't looking great as a bench impact. Perhaps Rieko could start then move to wing cover.
If they play Rieko at 13 it would be a shame not to play A J Lam but I doubt it will happen. Please no to DH but it is possible.
10- I suspect DMac again but it would be great if they gave Plummer 20 minutes.
TJP arguably has played better off the bench than as a starter.
I am guessing they will play Savea, Wellington and all that.
Seems to me Paps offers at least as much as Cane now, I didn't see any advantage based on Cane's greater experience. And if Cane is slipping off important tackles, that is his key feature blunted.
Wondering if we see Lakai this year.
Got to play Sititi but maybe sub him earlier, that game took a lot out of him.
The bench loosies are all a bit meh for me but perhaps LJ shades EB for a. not being injured every second game and b. seems a little more effective. So far.
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Robertson's really got nothing to lose now and needs to start building for the EOYT - coz if he loses 2 games, the knives will really be out and we've lost a year
Give Darry a start, try Sititi at 8, give Hotham, Plummer & Proctor some game-time. Ardie off the bench as a impact player.
I like the sentiment, but I think that's too many changes to allow a good assessment of the new guys. Darry, Sititi, Ratima, Plummer for half a game, then either ALB and Proctor. I think it's unfair to slot Proctor in at unfamiliar 12 this early
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.. Def. not suggesting throwing new players in the game in unfamiliar positions, but give them plenty of game time.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Canes4life for the all important 10th ranked Wallabies (Fiji moved up to 9th on Sunday)?
It's too bad the All Blacks can't depend on a world-class assistant like him when the team actually needs one - you know like over in South Africa and on the Northern tour.... Razor in his foolishly misplaced loyally to Holland and McDonald ignored Tony Brown who was open to offers in 2024.
I am still upset
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Just for fun I'd like to see Darry and Vaai at lock, Barrett at 6, Sititi at 8, and Dalton at 7. Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB(JB is out, better than DH) Reiko, Jordan, BB. Reiko to move to wing when Proctor comes on at centre after halftime. DMac could be on the bench to cover 10 and 15, especially if Plummer can't handle the jandal. If we get injuries everyone will just need to muck in, like SA do
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@cgrant said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Will they call someone as injury cover for Jordie ? If we have a look at the NPC, then Higgins is the form 2nd Five. But he has barely played in SR so I think they won't call him. So who ? AJ Lam, McLeod (he's a Cantab), Tanielu Telea, TUJ ?
Isn't the Steelers 12 looking handy?
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just for fun I'd like to see Darry and Vaai at lock, Barrett at 6, Sititi at 8, and Dalton at 7. Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB(JB is out, better than DH) Reiko, Jordan, BB. Reiko to move to wing when Proctor comes on at centre after halftime. DMac could be on the bench to cover 10 and 15, especially if Plummer can't handle the jandal. If we get injuries everyone will just need to muck in, like SA do
If you are going to play a lock at 6 it should be Vaa'i. But why?
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One of the key questions is whether or not Vaa'i is a hundy.
An interesting fact is that we went much better in last 20 against England, but couldn't unlock rush D.
Reverse the case in TRC.
Modest rotation, so we can assess the impact of changes.
EDG/Aumua/Lomax TW/Taylor/Tosi all to be on by 65. Aumua gets proper start. Codie's experience at close important.
Scooter/Darry Prefer Darry as starter and get proper minutes. Vaa'i for impact at HT. Consider Paddy T to come on at 60, if 6 - 2 tried.
Cane/Finau/Sititi Balanced loosies. RD off bench for impact. Alternative of Papali'i for Cane or Bladder for Finau, but less balance.
Ratima/DMac Works well to start. TJS and BB off bench.
Proctor/Ioane Try and keep same flow. ALB bench if we don't go 6 -2
Clarke/Perofeta/Jordan Stevie was very good steering from 15 against England. BB on at 55.
Possibilities at that point of WJ to 15, DMac to 15 or BB to 15.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just for fun I'd like to see Darry and Vaai at lock, Barrett at 6, Sititi at 8, and Dalton at 7. Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB(JB is out, better than DH) Reiko, Jordan, BB. Reiko to move to wing when Proctor comes on at centre after halftime. DMac could be on the bench to cover 10 and 15, especially if Plummer can't handle the jandal. If we get injuries everyone will just need to muck in, like SA do
If you are going to play a lock at 6 it should be Vaa'i. But why?
Um, and if we want a 6 / lock, there's a fucking guy there!
Finau isn't dead.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Just for fun I'd like to see Darry and Vaai at lock, Barrett at 6, Sititi at 8, and Dalton at 7. Ratima, Plummer, Clarke, ALB(JB is out, better than DH) Reiko, Jordan, BB. Reiko to move to wing when Proctor comes on at centre after halftime. DMac could be on the bench to cover 10 and 15, especially if Plummer can't handle the jandal. If we get injuries everyone will just need to muck in, like SA do
If you are going to play a lock at 6 it should be Vaa'i. But why?
Um, and if we want a 6 / lock, there's a fucking guy there!
Finau isn't dead.
There are seven loosies in current squad.
Scraggers: RD, Blackadder, Sititi, Papali'i
Shoulders: Cane, Finau, Jacobson
We ought to have one of the latter group on the field at all times.
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@canefan Not really new, is it? Smith is Robertson';s mentor and is involved as a performance coach/mentor for the All Blacks and Black Ferns already:
Wayne Smith takes mentoring role with All Blacks, Black Ferns
Women's World Cup-winning coach Wayne Smith was Friday appointed as "mentor" to both the All Blacks and Black Ferns, vowing to "challenge norms" and "think outside the box".
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@stodders said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@canefan Not really new, is it? Smith is Robertson';s mentor and is involved as a performance coach/mentor for the All Blacks and Black Ferns already:
Wayne Smith takes mentoring role with All Blacks, Black Ferns
Women's World Cup-winning coach Wayne Smith was Friday appointed as "mentor" to both the All Blacks and Black Ferns, vowing to "challenge norms" and "think outside the box".
If Robertson is reaching out for help, good for him. Zero shame asking for help when you've very new to the job.
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Agree 100%.
This feels similar to Panadol leaving - if things are not going right, take action.
If they are wondering if it is their coaching, approach, preparation, fitness, it would be hard to find a better pair of eyes than Smith's.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
JB did his MCL so is out for a few weeks.
So we're left with ALB after his last effort or Havili..?
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
But the game is in Wellington....
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Jordie is injured and they are at home so they could call in players who know how to win on their own home patch. Like a Plummer or Lam...
But the game is in Wellington....
I said on their own home patch. Unlike AB Canes who can't win in Wellington.
So surely they can take their winning game down the road a mere 8 hours.. -
@nostrildamus don't make me call in @sparky ...
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The issue is clearly mental. It almost looks like it's become a block in that it's expected now, and the team struggles as it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Either that, or our fitness is just miles behind the others, which is the easiest way to explain it. The first half was embarrassing for Australia, we looked like we were playing minnows and just couldn't get the execution 100% to avoid it being a 40/50 nil half time score.
Second half it almost reversed. That can't have anything to do with physical skills / ability. It has to be the top two inches.
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We don’t use our bench very well either, so it could be fitness or fitness plus bench usage.
Let me put it this way - I highly doubt that the Springbok forwards are fitter than ours (as a collective), but a 6-2 bench and early substitutions makes a world of difference there.
