Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@Snowy said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@mn5 Yes Conway too. I’m a bit more lenient on him in some futile hope that he reads the fern and @Chris ’s technique tips, then has a return to being as good as we know he can be.
Yes, re the batting all round.
Oh I completely agree re Conway. You don’t get 200 in a big game on debut overseas unless you have serious talent. He got good scores in the second test too.
I really hope he comes right.
Mathew Sinclair and Hamish Rutherford say hi! (although their scores were not overseas)
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I don't think we should give up on Conway. He needs support and positivity and I think he'll come right. He has earned at least til Christmas. The upside potential is too great to discard now.
Santner (in tests) is a busted flush. Time to stop persevering.
My positions are not contradictory.
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I'd bring in:
- Ish for Santner, but I gather he's not there, so... .... Bracewell, or the team bus driver? Not Henry, because:
- Henry for Southee
- Move Phillips up to six
My wider concern about Conway is the technical problems are undoubtedly known, but are (so far) unfixable against international class bowling...
Challenge if we swap Conway for Will Young, is that Chris is also right about Young fishing outside off stump. It'd be swapping one set of flaws for another...
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Given we're pretty much out of the running for the WTC now (maybe we still have a very slim chance?), we may as well keep Conway in the team at least until we're back in NZ.
Then, if he hasn't perfomed we select someone else but not Young. Ideally we look to the future and find someone completely different but who that is I have no idea.
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Damn, the domestic stats don't look too promising when Dale Phillips is your highest run scorer:
https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/tournament/batting-most-runs-career/plunket-shield-2023-24-15671 -
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
I'd bring in:
- Ish for Santner, but I gather he's not there, so... .... Bracewell, or the team bus driver? Not Henry, because:
- Henry for Southee
- Move Phillips up to six
My wider concern about Conway is the technical problems are undoubtedly known, but are (so far) unfixable against international class bowling...
Challenge if we swap Conway for Will Young, is that Chris is also right about Young fishing outside off stump. It'd be swapping one set of flaws for another...
This is exactly why Bracewell shouldn’t come in for Santner !
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
I'd bring in:
- Ish for Santner, but I gather he's not there, so... .... Bracewell, or the team bus driver? Not Henry, because:
- Henry for Southee
- Move Phillips up to six
My wider concern about Conway is the technical problems are undoubtedly known, but are (so far) unfixable against international class bowling...
Challenge if we swap Conway for Will Young, is that Chris is also right about Young fishing outside off stump. It'd be swapping one set of flaws for another...
This is exactly why Bracewell shouldn’t come in for Santner !
I still don't know what they see in Bracewell at test level. Both he and Santner are a waste of a spot. Can't consistently take wickets or dry up runs, can't consistently bat and get significant totals
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Well I was set to watch most of this test, then life got in the way, and I missed most of it.
Other than Henry for Southee (which can't really happen), any other changes are probably just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The only other change I can think of is to shuffle Stead along. He's had some absolutely fantastic results but he's been in the job too long now and our more recent decline is just continuing, despite still having a strong team overall. I see we have him until mid-25 for all three formats.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
Well I was set to watch most of this test, then life got in the way, and I missed most of it.
Other than Henry for Southee (which can't really happen), any other changes are probably just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
The only other change I can think of is to shuffle Stead along. He's had some absolutely fantastic results but he's been in the job too long now and our more recent decline is just continuing, despite still having a strong team overall. I see we have him until mid-25 for all three formats.
Stead did well managing the team he inherited, winning the WTC and getting robbed in the CWC final. But I don't think he's an innovator, and I don't think he's done much to identify talent to set us up for the next era
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@canefan said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@Donsteppa said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
I'd bring in:
- Ish for Santner, but I gather he's not there, so... .... Bracewell, or the team bus driver? Not Henry, because:
- Henry for Southee
- Move Phillips up to six
My wider concern about Conway is the technical problems are undoubtedly known, but are (so far) unfixable against international class bowling...
Challenge if we swap Conway for Will Young, is that Chris is also right about Young fishing outside off stump. It'd be swapping one set of flaws for another...
This is exactly why Bracewell shouldn’t come in for Santner !
I still don't know what they see in Bracewell at test level. Both he and Santner are a waste of a spot. Can't consistently take wickets or dry up runs, can't consistently bat and get significant totals
Exactly.
Didn’t get any wickets, aw but he got 20 odd runs…….
Got a duck, yeah but he got a wicket……
That’s all they’ll ever contribute on a regular basis.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
The main issue for me was the batting, no one quite went on and converted a decent start into a great innings.
and why was that? Coz some dickhead doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of watching NZ. We are always doomed right up until the moment after we've scored the winning run / taken the opponent's last wicket.
Get it right next time and "we have no chance".
See?
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I very much doubt they planned on playing O'Rourke in all 5 tests on this tour. I reckon they would have planned to rest him in this upcoming second test.
That is now awkwardly off the table. That rest will now probably come part way through the India series after he gets exhausted and spanked.
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@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
The main issue for me was the batting, no one quite went on and converted a decent start into a great innings.
and why was that? Coz some dickhead doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of watching NZ. We are always doomed right up until the moment after we've scored the winning run / taken the opponent's last wicket.
Get it right next time and "we have no chance".
See?
I still blame @Damo
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
Objectively. A close(ish) loss in the first test of an Asian tour is par. In this era of no warm-ups.
Just that they fluffed a winning position on Day 2 makes it look worse that the 'before-match' expectations.
In fairness, a test vs AFG literally was the wramup. And it got rained off.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@dogmeat said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
The main issue for me was the batting, no one quite went on and converted a decent start into a great innings.
and why was that? Coz some dickhead doesn't understand the basic fundamentals of watching NZ. We are always doomed right up until the moment after we've scored the winning run / taken the opponent's last wicket.
Get it right next time and "we have no chance".
See?
I still blame @Damo
We'll string you up side by side
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@Snowy said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@MN5 I completely agree re Santner (in tests), it also worries me that they will never have the balls to get rid of the captain. Carrying one non contributor is hard enough but 2 is impossible, and probably why we lost this test. We did get close and but for a couple of cm run out, might have sneaked it.
In this test we had three in Southee, Conway and Santner. Everyone else had their moments. Blundell maybe a bit borderline with his batting returns but possibly tidy in terms of keeping, I didn’t watch enough of it.
The big problem is that going into this test if I - and probably most of us - had been asked to nominate three guys who would underperform, these three would have been on most people's lists.
For test 2 - Henry in for Santner, Sears in for Southee.
Our bowling strength is in seamers - the Sri Lankans strength is probably playing spinners, especially our half baked ones - and we've still got Ajaz, Phillips and Ravindra in any case!
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@Chris-B said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@Snowy said in Black Caps v Sri Lanka Test Series:
@MN5 I completely agree re Santner (in tests), it also worries me that they will never have the balls to get rid of the captain. Carrying one non contributor is hard enough but 2 is impossible, and probably why we lost this test. We did get close and but for a couple of cm run out, might have sneaked it.
In this test we had three in Southee, Conway and Santner. Everyone else had their moments. Blundell maybe a bit borderline with his batting returns but possibly tidy in terms of keeping, I didn’t watch enough of it.
The big problem is that going into this test if I - and probably most of us - had been asked to nominate three guys who would underperform, these three would have been on most people's lists.
For test 2 - Henry in for Santner, Sears in for Southee.
Our bowling strength is in seamers - the Sri Lankans strength is probably playing spinners, especially our half baked ones - and we've still got Ajaz, Phillips and Ravindra in any case!
Yeah we need to focus on this instead of loading up with shitty spinners every time there is a test in the subcontinent
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