Springboks vs All Blacks 2
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fucking chirpy for a guy with a 66% win rate, ie less than foster
I don't recall Foster starting his reign against such good sides?
If you are happy with our results more power to you.
Not perfect but we are seeing more structure and less headless chicken moments. Upward curve
Really? Maybe visited to foster, but once Schmidt was on board things were better than they are now
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@Crazy-Horse the Danish Architect?
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@Machpants You have a point. I wouldn't say worse cf Schmidt about the same. Some senior players have retired.
We played bloody well last week excluding the last 15 mins including a man down. The game deserved better officiating.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
I didn't realize Nortje was such a revolving door and given Etzebeth was already on so many minutes I take back my initial assumption the Boks will be that much stronger.
But we will possibly be quite a bit weaker and losing Clarke hurts. Hope the ABs play out of their skins and have some new plays. One thing seems clear to me now, this is Razor's favourite midfield. At least, defensively.The boks have been pulling these strokes for years. Every game is a revolving door.
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@MiketheSnow said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
If Cortez gets quick clean ball it will allow the back line to set up deeper
If they do that I can see plenty of tries coming from 1-5 phase ball
Cortez is a great bet to score.
He will be getting 20 of my hard earned quid on the nose.
He will be like Lee Harvey Oswald from the base of the ruck.
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Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
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Aaaahhh, do we remember what TJP used to be like off the bench? Calm and measured are not words I would use.
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@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fucking chirpy for a guy with a 66% win rate, ie less than foster
I don't recall Foster starting his reign against such good sides?
If you are happy with our results more power to you.
Not what I said. I'm not happy with the results but if we are comparing ratios we should also consider the level of competition.
First Ian Foster season according to
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One year down: How Ian Foster compares to former All Blacks coaches
Analysing Ian Foster's record in 2020 compared to the first years of those before him.
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Three wins, one draw (Wallabies), two losses (Wallabies and Argentina)
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@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
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@BerniesCorner said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Machpants said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Fucking chirpy for a guy with a 66% win rate, ie less than foster
I don't recall Foster starting his reign against such good sides?
If you are happy with our results more power to you.
Not perfect but we are seeing more structure and less headless chicken moments. Upward curve
The curve has been upwards since the 2nd Boks match last year. It's now flattened out and the headless chicken moments are starting to creep back in - e.g Finau's penalty.
We're really not moving forward yet and need a good win on Saturday. At least Robertson's rolled the dice - even if he has been forced to by injury.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
It shows how bad our depth is that the likes of Cane and Perenara are still here even though they have "handed in their notice", when you consider how Charles Piutau was axed from 2015 RWC squad for signing to go overseas.
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@Victor-Meldrew How many experienced combos do the ABs have right now?
Front row - EDG/CT/TL - TW has really pushed on. I think Samisoni is a big miss.
Locks - None
Back row - None (given Frizell is in Japan)
Halves - None
Centres - JB/RI - ALB as the support
Back 3 - MT/WJ/BB started the WC final. Add in CC and there is experience of playing together.
That is quite the gap in experience to begin from, even before looking at the lack of punch from the bench.
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@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
Christie is playing for Ta$man.
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@Jet said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@nostrildamus said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@bayimports said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Listening to Razor, sounded like benching TJP was more about acknowledging they can’t finish and want him there to do just that
I'm really surprised they'd bring his slower passing on in the last 20 or 30 minutes. Perhaps they have limited options..
It shows how bad our depth is that the likes of Cane and Perenara are still here even though they have "handed in their notice", when you consider how Charles Piutau was axed from 2015 RWC squad for signing to go overseas.
That 2015 RWC squad was one of the best we've ever had, at the top of their game. Definitely on a different part of the curve right now. I guess we can consider this a transitional year; in 2025 both TJP and Cane will be gone, if Roigard is back close to his best I expect him to be the starting 9 with Ratima on the bench. Hopefully some of the young Canes loosies like Iose and Lakai can kick on and challenge the incumbents. Frizzell should be back, we will see if he can kick on. I still want to see Sotutu given a chance to reach the required level or otherwise be found wanting, at least it will settle the matter. With Darry in, along with Scooter and Va'ai we have three decent locks. Hopefully BB will be supplanted by Love or Jordan or both, I'd still like to see if Plummer is test quality or not because I don't believe in Perofeta, and DMac has been good but not a lock at 10. Our front row stocks are okay, although Aumua needs to step it up. Over the next year or so Razor needs to work out who can hack it and if not, find others that can. RWC27 will be here before we know it
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@stodders said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Victor-Meldrew How many experienced combos do the ABs have right now?
Front row - EDG/CT/TL - TW has really pushed on. I think Samisoni is a big miss.
Locks - None
Back row - None (given Frizell is in Japan)
Halves - None
Centres - JB/RI - ALB as the support
Back 3 - MT/WJ/BB started the WC final. Add in CC and there is experience of playing together.
That is quite the gap in experience to begin from, even before looking at the lack of punch from the bench.
But...but...but....we have all the cattle we want.....and the great coaching set-up we all knew was needed...
But seriously, apart from 9 and maybe 6, it's pretty much the same experienced players from RWC2023 (and ironically, the problems we expected at 4/5 haven't manifested themselves). Yet virtually all the old problems are still there - consistency, poor exits, brain-farts and an inability to regroup when needed.
Here's hoping Saturday, with the forced changes, sparks something.
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@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What's the point in having these media moments? Absolutely no insight, just platitudes.
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@antipodean said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@pakman said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
What's the point in having these media moments? Absolutely no insight, just platitudes.
The personality has been drilled out of them all.
NZ rugby disappeared up its own arse a long time ago.
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@canefan said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
Hopefully some of the young Canes loosies like Iose and Lakai can kick on and challenge the incumbents.
Do you see Iose at 6 or 8?
I understand why they didn't choose Lakai but I'm interested to see if he is an option on the bigger stage or if he would simply be not big enough-he'd bring something different to the AB loosies I reckon..if Plummer is test quality or not because I don't believe in Perofeta, and DMac has been good but not a lock at 10.
How about Perofeta at 15? He seemed ok there for the ABs I thought..
I really think Plummer's game may suit the ABs, hope to see if I am right or not.
