Olympics Thread
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@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
OK so another idea I have to improve the Olympics: we've established here the Triathlon isn't fair as the swimmers don't get the benefit for their skills, generally being reeled in easily in the cycle leg by the chasing pack.
So you should be allowed to complete the three legs in any order you like. Will make the event chaotic, which is what we all want. To build a bit of tension we can put the finish line at the end of a 100m sprint, so everyone has to finish the same way at the same place.
If you want to be rewarded for your swimming, be a swimmer. Fixed
OK great. Then the cyclists can do cycling, and the runners can do running.
No need for the sport then. Fixed
The point of the event is that you are the best at the end of all 3. Just like the decathlon, you have to compete in order for a reason
If you don't like one of the disciplines, maybe triathlon isn't for you
Look, this is all bullshit anyway because it isn't going to happen. But for the sake of argument... what's the reason you have to compete in order?
Surely the point of the event is to measure who is the cumulative best across the three disciplines. So in that regard it shouldn't matter what order that you complete them.
Now if drafting was banned (which it is at amateur level) then it's a different story. The whole point of my change is the acknowledgement that the cycling leg is compromised by drafting, so trying to minimise that advantage as best I can.
I suspect if this WAS to happen then over time the athletes would conform to one or two ways of doing it, so they can gain the most advantage by cycling with the most others. But it would be an interesting experiment.
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@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
@canefan said in Olympics Thread:
@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
OK so another idea I have to improve the Olympics: we've established here the Triathlon isn't fair as the swimmers don't get the benefit for their skills, generally being reeled in easily in the cycle leg by the chasing pack.
So you should be allowed to complete the three legs in any order you like. Will make the event chaotic, which is what we all want. To build a bit of tension we can put the finish line at the end of a 100m sprint, so everyone has to finish the same way at the same place.
If you want to be rewarded for your swimming, be a swimmer. Fixed
OK great. Then the cyclists can do cycling, and the runners can do running.
No need for the sport then. Fixed
The point of the event is that you are the best at the end of all 3. Just like the decathlon, you have to compete in order for a reason
If you don't like one of the disciplines, maybe triathlon isn't for you
Look, this is all bullshit anyway because it isn't going to happen. But for the sake of argument... what's the reason you have to compete in order?
Surely the point of the event is to measure who is the cumulative best across the three disciplines. So in that regard it shouldn't matter what order that you complete them.
Now if drafting was banned (which it is at amateur level) then it's a different story. The whole point of my change is the acknowledgement that the cycling leg is compromised by drafting, so trying to minimise that advantage as best I can.
I suspect if this WAS to happen then over time the athletes would conform to one or two ways of doing it, so they can gain the most advantage by cycling with the most others. But it would be an interesting experiment.
It's starting to sound like you're actually advocating for this now rather than just taking the piss - but there a bunch of reasons for doing it in order, mostly safety and organisational efficiency. You'd need to staff the water all race, keep the roads closed for both bike and run all race, transition would be a total clusterfuck. And nobody would have the slightest clue what is going on.
It would be the equivalent of allowing 10,000m runners to each decide what direction to run around the track...
Hang on a second...
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No it wouldn't. Because that's actually unsafe and a bit silly.
You said 'there's a reason competitors have to complete it in order'. I pressed, and according to you the main reason is 'organisational efficiency'. Which to me isn't much of a reason at all. It's the Olympics, of course they can keep the roads closed and the water staffed. The race only goes for an hour or two.
Now of course for other triathlons it's completely ridiculous.
EDIT: I suppose in my proposal you couldn't have the cyclists and runners together on the same course, but it wouldn't be too hard to split them off so you don't have people run over.
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I'd do the swim leg in the bath.
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@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
EDIT: I suppose in my proposal you couldn't have the cyclists and runners together on the same course, but it wouldn't be too hard to split them off so you don't have people run over.
Why not make it a spectator sport?
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@antipodean said in Olympics Thread:
I'd do the swim leg in the bath.
Smart. Avoid a lengthy commute AND an E.Coli infection, so you're winning on two counts there.
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@antipodean can't speak for the masses, but I'm not really up for watching you in your bath mate.
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@barbarian said in Olympics Thread:
No it wouldn't. Because that's actually unsafe and a bit silly.
You said 'there's a reason competitors have to complete it in order'. I pressed, and according to you the main reason is 'organisational efficiency'. Which to me isn't much of a reason at all. It's the Olympics, of course they can keep the roads closed and the water staffed. The race only goes for an hour or two.
Now of course for other triathlons it's completely ridiculous.
EDIT: I suppose in my proposal you couldn't have the cyclists and runners together on the same course, but it wouldn't be too hard to split them off so you don't have people run over.
Silly me - I hadn't made the entirely logical leap that the Olympic event was going to be an entirely different format that couldn't be replicated in a single non-Olympic race, ever - so they basically do it this way once every 4 years.
Makes way more sense, as you were
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The Men's pole vault was incredible. The Swedish athlete who won the Gold broke his own world record he set in April and then also smashed the Olympic record. He cleared 6.25m his ninth world record of his career.
Duplantis achieves new heights after pole vault world record adds to gold
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@1kiwi said in Olympics Thread:
The Men's pole vault was incredible. The Swedish athlete who won the Gold broke his own world record he set in April and then also smashed the Olympic record. He cleared 6.25m his ninth world record of his career.
Duplantis achieves new heights after pole vault world record adds to gold
yeah, was great viewing - serious height and such a dominant performance
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@reprobate said in Olympics Thread:
@antipodean can't speak for the masses, but I'm not really up for watching you in your bath mate.
You sound like my neighbours.
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Watched the final of the 3x3 basketball. Soccer really should do similar type format - when I’m watching maybe 2 hours tv in the evening I’m not going to spend 90 minutes watching soccer. The 3x3 was intense fast easy to understand and good crowd involvement.
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@Billy-Tell said in Olympics Thread:
Watched the final of the 3x3 basketball. Soccer really should do similar type format - when I’m watching maybe 2 hours tv in the evening I’m not going to spend 90 minutes watching soccer. The 3x3 was intense fast easy to understand and good crowd involvement.
Reminds me of a great movie starring Bill Nighy
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I assume for most, the swim is considered the harder discipline, most taxing on the body, while cycling likely the 'easiest'?
Swimming last would suck most in my hypothetical make the triathlon harder....
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I can't believe the Olympics allows soccer to use them as a development ground. It should be either the real deal or nothing at all, or it undermines the importance of a gold medal.
That said, I think they should do a sniff test across all sports and if it's not the pinnacle, or at least on par with the pinnacle, of the sport then it should be axed. Soccer shouldn't be there, I don't think cricket should be added either as it'd be just another tournament in an already full calendar, and we already have World Cups that are the pinnacle of the sport.
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@taniwharugby said in Olympics Thread:
I assume for most, the swim is considered the harder discipline, most taxing on the body, while cycling likely the 'easiest'?
Swimming last would suck most in my hypothetical make the triathlon harder....
And have loads of lifesaving
At least at the amateur level
And so many DNF that the sport would die
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@No-Quarter said in Olympics Thread:
I can't believe the Olympics allows soccer to use them as a development ground. It should be either the real deal or nothing at all, or it undermines the importance of a gold medal.
That said, I think they should do a sniff test across all sports and if it's not the pinnacle, or at least on par with the pinnacle, of the sport then it should be axed. Soccer shouldn't be there, I don't think cricket should be added either as it'd be just another tournament in an already full calendar, and we already have World Cups that are the pinnacle of the sport.
One of the best aspects of watching the Olympics is seeing sports you don’t ordinarily get to watch (tv scheduling) or have even known existed (curling)
We don’t need to see more football, golf, tennis, cricket
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@No-Quarter said in Olympics Thread:
I can't believe the Olympics allows soccer to use them as a development ground. It should be either the real deal or nothing at all, or it undermines the importance of a gold medal.
While I don't think football and other pro sports like basketball should be at the Olympics it is even more strange that the men's and women's competition have different selection criteria. The mens is U23 with three over-age players while the women's has no age restriction. Add to that because the Olympics falls outside the FIFA window, clubs don't have to release players, and many didn't.
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