All Blacks vs England 2
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@African-Monkey I’m anti blues in super rugby. This is the All blacks. They are All
Blacks. Doesn’t matter where they came from.
I was merely stating that some of the worst players were from the blues.
Are we going to comment on every crusaders player that gets selected from now on. It’s tedious. They are selecting who they believe are the best players.
It’s not like he’s selecting Tom Christie and Mitch Drummond. In a shit crusaders season , Hotham was a shining light. -
@chchfanatic And I disputed that 3 of those 4 Blues players you called out were the worst players. Codie Taylor had a poor 2nd half throwing wise, didn't mean he had a shocker overall though. Finau had a quiet night, looked like he's still adjusting to a new style of play but will get better. Christie was very good when he came on, controlled the tempo well and pegged the English back, forcing them to attack from deep or a lot of the final quarter. Tuipulotu had a very strong 1st half especially when used as a carrier. Faded a bit in the 2nd half but the worst? Come on haha. Papali'i worked tirelessly all game, how was he in the category as the worst? I do get the criticisms that come his way too as he isn't as dominant in the collision as our previous 7s have been and have had my reservations about him at test level, but to say he was in the worst player category? Again, a massive stretch.
As for the Crusaders criticisms? Personally, I don't care that Hotham got selected, whatever. Not fussed at all about it infact, he finished the season strongly at Super Rugby, someone's gotta get picked and it was him, good on him. Infact, I can't stand the Crusaders, but I feel like I've defended them and their players a fair bit this year.
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How England's blitz ground All Blacks to a standstill
Steve Borthwick's England blitz defence flummoxed New Zealand during a period when they are normally so ruthless in the first Test.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Machpants
Yeah, earlier the better.
Quicker pass than Christie and Perenara, total nightmare to defend against around the fringes, and massive and accurate boot.And physical..
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Rieko yes, had a below par test, but the other 3 were not the worst players.
I'd say (and I'm a big fan of him normally) that the ruck involvements and tackles made indicated Patty T's workrate was below par.
That being said, Papalii was the best.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
People need to dropped the super rugby bullshit.
I agree, can you pass this along to Crafty Comb?
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Hotham may turn out to be a very good player for the ABs but what worries me about his selection at this point is how long it took him to look like he belonged at Super Level. Up to that point I was wondering if the Saders got themselves a dud. For that reason I would have waited a bit longer to pick him to make sure his good form wasn't a fluke.
On the other hand Funaki is probably in the same boat and Fakatava hasn't looked like an AB for a while.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Hotham may turn out to be a very good player for the ABs but what worries me about his selection at this point is how long it took him to look like he belonged at Super Level. Up to that point I was wondering if the Saders got themselves a dud. For that reason I would have waited a bit longer to pick him to make sure his good form wasn't a fluke.
On the other hand Funaki is probably in the same boat and Fakatava hasn't looked like an AB for a while.
I thought for a 19-20 year old last season when he got albeit some limited chances, he showed plenty of promise with how he played. Looked pretty good. Had a bit of the second season blues this year but his running game was solid and his pass is very strong both ways. So yes it’s been up and down, but I can see why they like him given his size relative to other halfbacks in NZ - 5’11 and 90+ kgs.
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@chchfanatic only thing I remember about Hotlham was getting pushed of like a little school boy, and ended up over the touch line by Funaki, think he did same to McLeod as well.
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@Tim is a blitz defence different to a rush defence...
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@taniwharugby but how do they relate to the umbrella defence?
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@Kirwan no worries mate I’ll pass it onto him today when I see him.
If he shaved his head would you still comment on his hair. Who gives a fuck that he’s trying to save the last bit of hair he has. -
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@African-Monkey I’m anti blues in super rugby. This is the All blacks. They are All
Blacks. Doesn’t matter where they came from.
I was merely stating that some of the worst players were from the blues.
Are we going to comment on every crusaders player that gets selected from now on. It’s tedious. They are selecting who they believe are the best players.
It’s not like he’s selecting Tom Christie and Mitch Drummond. In a shit crusaders season , Hotham was a shining light.I not a Blues man by any means, chch, but you sure you watched the same test as rest of us? I thought Pat T was pretty good, won a fair bit of lineout ball, was one of our best ball carriers in forwards. Didn't thimk Papali'i was bad that I noticed, and as for Christie, I thought it was noticeable our kicking game etc from base of ruck was more accurate when he came on, I really don't understand the Christie hate on here (apaprt from it's seemingly trendy?), Reiko I didn't think was flash, but I really surprised you would point out Blues players as being poor.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Hotham may turn out to be a very good player for the ABs but what worries me about his selection at this point is how long it took him to look like he belonged at Super Level. Up to that point I was wondering if the Saders got themselves a dud. For that reason I would have waited a bit longer to pick him to make sure his good form wasn't a fluke.
On the other hand Funaki is probably in the same boat and Fakatava hasn't looked like an AB for a while.
I think Hatham may of struggled with Crusaders for most of year because of what was in front of him? Basically a pack that looked almost NPC level at best for a good part of season. They just seemed to struggle to put a decent pack on field for much of season.
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