All Blacks 2024
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
not get red carded when it matters most.
we talking about Scott or Sam now?
Yes we are
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Worth noting an All Blacks has debuted in the first test of a New World Cup cycle every year except for in 1988:
2020: Caleb Clarke, Hoskins Sotutu and Tupou Vaa'i
2016: Seta Tamanivalu and Ardie Savea
2012: Brodie Retallick, Aaron Smith and Julian Savea
2008: Anthony Tuitavake and Adam Thomson
2004: Nick Evans and Sam Tuitupou
2000: Troy Flavell, Greg Sommerville, Doug Howlett and Filo Tiatia
1996: Christian Cullen and Scott McLeod
1992 (Game v World XV): Frank Bunce, Mark Cooksley, Richard Turner and Arran Pene... several of these + Joseph also played in the first test of the year
Looking at the uncapped in the squad, barring injury reckon you can scratch out Bell, Tosi and Sititi for definite, Ratima and Procter highly unlikely to, so this streak almost certain to be broken.
Weirdly, Sam Darry is just as likely as these, because an injury to one of the locks possibly sees him straight into the 23.
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Is anyone else worried about Jordie potentially being our captain if Scott and Ardie go down? Not sure how he'll handle the pressure. Seems to be a guy that's notorious for crumbling under pressure, rather than flourishing. Maybe a year playing for Leinster will help his development in that space.
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I really doubt Ioane was given 'the word' early for several reasons, firstly why deny yourself a backup option in a notoriously damaging position, secondly why would anyone feel like they owe him 'the word' when almost everyone else finds out a couple of days before, and finally even the Captain wasn't discussed with the player until 3 weeks ago. Sure Ioane doesn't want to go, but the money and time with the family is much better than when you are an AB - much more time away in SR and tests and much less money than Japan. It is a perfectly reasonable position not to want to go, but decide you have to put your feelings aside and do what is best for your young family's future
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Ioane is going overseas, can we stop talking about him as a potential option?
and why is he going overseas?
and he did play in NZ this season.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@Tim said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
When do England arrive? Borthwick should invite him to training. That would really spice things up
Doing a Razor on Razor
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Because that's how you end up with a plodder like Frizzell
I ain't walking back shit. I don't believe Ardie should be locked in to the 8 jersey.
And yes caners he played differently in the RWC and we suffered. Because suddenly no one was playing anywhere but tight.
Sam Cane lost us the RWC final, nobody else.
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
He played in 4 matches for the ABs that year.
4 matches in 6 months.
How do you expect a player to be anywhere near his best when he plays 50-60 minutes of rugby every 6 weeks?
He got unceremoniously dropped last year and would have had reasons as to why.
He came back this year and was the player of the competition and is still left out.
I think it is Jason Ryan who doesn’t like him.
Sotutu will be one of those players that heads overseas and becomes a huge star in the Roo 14 or in another league. Maybe England and he plays for them in a couple of years
There is plainly something behind this.
In 2022 game between Saders and Blues Hoss was benched before halftime, and seemed Leon was very unimpressed.
Leon and Jase are close. Hoss started 2023 Super very well and was notably more physical. While running and passing like Michael Jones.
Tailed off towards end of season and didn’t even make XV, which is odd.Got back on horse this year, I think much fitter, and was great at start and good at end. More impact than WS in final. Twelve tries.
Against the odds TWM had to consider him!
But along comes WS, has two or three good games, shows naivety in final, and Razor clutches at him as reason not to pick Hoss.
He is 25, a young man. WS is 21.
The glaringly obvious course is to pick Hoss, and attach Wallace to squad à la Lakai, who by the way had a better season overall.
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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After the Foster regime, quietly enjoying TSF arguing about the selection choices made by a bloke from Mount College, compared to what a bloke from Te Puke has been doing well all winter.
(And straight after Vern beat up on a Super Rugby team who were coached by a bloke from Whakarewarewa).
BoP Mafia infiltration is complete.
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@frugby said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Worth noting an All Blacks has debuted in the first test of a New World Cup cycle every year except for in 1988:
2020: Caleb Clarke, Hoskins Sotutu and Tupou Vaa'i
2016: Seta Tamanivalu and Ardie Savea
2012: Brodie Retallick, Aaron Smith and Julian Savea
2008: Anthony Tuitavake and Adam Thomson
2004: Nick Evans and Sam Tuitupou
2000: Troy Flavell, Greg Sommerville, Doug Howlett and Filo Tiatia
1996: Christian Cullen and Scott McLeod
1992 (Game v World XV): Frank Bunce, Mark Cooksley, Richard Turner and Arran Pene... several of these + Joseph also played in the first test of the year
Looking at the uncapped in the squad, barring injury reckon you can scratch out Bell, Tosi and Sititi for definite, Ratima and Procter highly unlikely to, so this streak almost certain to be broken.
Weirdly, Sam Darry is just as likely as these, because an injury to one of the locks possibly sees him straight into the 23.
I give Ratima a greater than 50 per cent chance of featuring in the first Test.
Perenara and Christie in one 23? Jesus wept. Imagine standing at 10 and putting up with Christie's poor delivery for the first 60 minutes, thinking you're finally getting a respite when he's pulled from the field, only to look up and see it's Perenara who's going to be sending the ball your way for the last 20.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Because that's how you end up with a plodder like Frizzell
I ain't walking back shit. I don't believe Ardie should be locked in to the 8 jersey.
And yes caners he played differently in the RWC and we suffered. Because suddenly no one was playing anywhere but tight.
Sam Cane lost us the RWC final, nobody else.
Ardie was superhuman in that match, almost willed us to the win, certainly was instrumental in creating two go ahead chances that Richie and Jordie failed to convert
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So Scott B got to choose his vice captains and chose Savea and JB-his brother. I don't know if it is sibling bias because I'm not sure who the options are but it does look a bit unusual. I think I would have gone DMac as he is likely to see a lot of gametime (just like Jordie I suppose).
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So Scott B got to choose his vice captains and chose Savea and JB-his brother. I don't know if it is sibling bias because I'm not sure who the options are but it does look a bit unusual. I think I would have gone DMac as he is likely to see a lot of gametime (just like Jordie I suppose).
Beauden got the shove for the little-big bro. Classic.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
So Scott B got to choose his vice captains and chose Savea and JB-his brother. I don't know if it is sibling bias because I'm not sure who the options are but it does look a bit unusual. I think I would have gone DMac as he is likely to see a lot of gametime (just like Jordie I suppose).
Beauden got the shove for the little-big bro. Classic.
Ha! Didn't think of that. Maybe they had an armwrestle?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Yeah neither coaching group rate him as much as others. Selection is subjective, I disagree with their selection, but there's no need for tin foil hats
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Well whatever happens this year they'll do well to out-naff the pre WC AB v SA at Twickenham.
Wasted my hard earned cash on that one and the worst AB game I have been to. -
@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Well whatever happens this year they'll do well to out-naff the pre WC AB v SA at Twickenham.
Wasted my hard earned cash on that one and the worst AB game I have been to.One of the many records from the last 4 years, there
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024 - looking forward:
Well whatever happens this year they'll do well to out-naff the pre WC AB v SA at Twickenham.
Wasted my hard earned cash on that one and the worst AB game I have been to.Arguably the worst AB forward performance of my lifetime - shockingly bad.
EDIT: I thought after the 2nd half against England in 2022 people believed we couldn't get any worse. How wrong I was.
