Secret Super rugby review: Axe a team from Australia and South Africa

Stargazer

Do we really need a separate topic for this? Again? It's cluttering the forum.

Unco

I guess I could see the ARU dropping the Force but the SARU are never going to go back down to 5 teams, too much politics involved.
 
Not an encouraging sign if this is the best idea these consultants can come up with.

hurricane

Man I hope this comes to pass. Very few of the Force players are truly super rugby standard and the 6-7 out of their whole squad who are would be welcome additions at other teams in Australia. I think if the other franchises can become better by absorbing those players, then they will win more games and hopefully revenues will go up. Will cross my fingers this comes to pass. This will do good things for Aussie Rugby. I am less fussed about SA having so many teams. But yeah the Kings weren't much chop last season.

NTA

The Force have the worst travel schedule out of just about anyone. Give them the arse.
 
Then watch the rugby public in WA absolutely cut sick about it.

mikedogz

How many of the Force and Rebel players are actually local products of their rugby systems? Maybe the teams that get cut could play in another second tier comp or join other comps. Could two SA teams play in Europe? Could the Force play in Japan?

hydro11

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How many of the Force and Rebel players are actually local products of their rugby systems? Maybe the teams that get cut could play in another second tier comp or join other comps. Could two SA teams play in Europe? Could the Force play in Japan?
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With different seasons it is unlikely. South Africa also has the Currie Cup. The Japanese season is short and a bit weird. You don't want test rugby players playing there.

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mikedogz" data-cid="609201" data-time="1472200450">How many of the Force and Rebel players are actually local products of their rugby systems?</blockquote>
 
It's a low percentage, but some are quite good

hurricane

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="609218" data-time="1472201525">It's a low percentage, but some are quite good</blockquote> What is the Rebels player Jordie Reid's background, was he a local product? I have a man crush on him and wish he was in the AB wider training group and don't know why he isn't in the Australian squad as a back up player.

NTA

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What is the Rebels player Jordie Reid's background, was he a local product? I have a man crush on him and wish he was in the AB wider training group and don't know why he isn't in the 
Australian squad as a back up player.
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Sydney boy - similar to George Smith in terms of pathways via Manly rugby club etc. He's a hard-nosed unit, that's for sure.
 
<img src="https://melbournerebels.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Jordy-300x300.jpg" alt="Jordy-300x300.jpg">

hurricane

Thanks for that NTA. Australia seem to have the best depth in the number 7 shirt in the world and always seem to have as far back as I can remember. I think I have chatted with a few aussie fans before about it and they told me that in high school rugby it is a very coveted playing position. While in NZ everyone aspires to be a number 10 or a number 8. I do hope that Australian rugby finds a spring in its step. I think all of the Wallabies are very humble blokes and they are a good advertisement for their country.

Nepia

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Thanks for that NTA. Australia seem to have the best depth in the number 7 shirt in the world and always seem to have as far back as I can remember. I think I have chatted 
with a few aussie fans before about it and they told me that in high school rugby it is a very coveted playing position. While in NZ everyone aspires 
to be a number 10 or a number 8. 
I do hope that Australian rugby finds a spring in its step. I think all of the Wallabies are very humble blokes and they are a good advertisement for 
their country.
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Nah, I think that is rubbish and clouded by your man crush on that dreadlocked Rebel, we've always had as much depth at 7 as the Wallabies, just that our number 1 was so far ahead of the pack and they tend to give all of theirs a test jumper at some time or another. Considering we tend to convert 6s to 8 these days I highly doubt 8 is our favoured position.

Mokey

I hope they reduce the team numbers and return to the old system of each team playing each other once, then quarters/semis/finals. I know the travel sucks, but has to be better than the current clusterfuck competition that drags forever and stops and starts for the international window.
 
The conferences are a joke. It is fucking ridiculous to watch NZ teams playing NZ teams over and over, and the winner of the Aussie conference getting a spot when this year that conference was just dire. Ditto for the Chiefs playing a woeful Stormers in South Africa and the home team getting spanked - they hadn't even played ONE NZ side all year.

hurricane

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="609264" data-time="1472206152">Nah, I think that is rubbish and clouded by your man crush on that dreadlocked Rebel, we've always had as much depth at 7 as the Wallabies, just that our number 1 was so far ahead of the pack and they tend to give all of theirs a test jumper at some time or another. Considering we tend to convert 6s to 8 these days I highly doubt 8 is our favoured position.</blockquote> I think you are completely underselling Reid. He is a quality number 7. McMahon is also "isn't bad". That gives Australia 4 International quality number 7s. Hooper, Pocock, Reid, McMahon not to mention Gill isn't bad either and by memory it was gill who had the most turnovers out of Australia's number 7s last year. Who does New Zealand have - Cane? I would have Hooper and Pocock ahead of him anyday. Behind Cane we have Savea who is very good I guess, but then who Matt Todd...Major LOL. I distinctly remember a super match towards the end where a wellington player ran straight over the top of him and Todd looked like chump.

Unco

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I think you are completely underselling Reid. He is a quality number 7. McMahon is also "isn't bad". That gives Australia 4 International quality number 7s. 
Hoopah, Pocock, Reid, McMahon not to mention Gill isn't bad either and by memory it was gill who had the most turnovers out of Australia's number 7s 
last year. Who does New Zealand have - Cane? I would have Hoopah and Pocock ahead of him anyday. Behind Cane we have Savea who is very good I guess, but then who 
Matt Todd...Major LOL. I distinctly remember a super match towards the end where a wellington player ran straight over the top of him and Todd looked like chump.
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You're out of your fucking mind.

hurricane

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unco" data-cid="609268" data-time="1472207784">You're out of your fucking mind.</blockquote> Computer says no.

hurricane

Cane won't even be the starting AB number 7 two years from now. His decision making as evidenced in silly penalties he takes in super rugby alone indicate he is not a disciplined player.

mariner4life

Hurricane you're talking massive quantities or rubbish

hurricane

Well whatever. At least I don't rate players just because they wear a black jersey. Cane is destined to be a journeyman player at best. Pocock in his prime was being discussed as being on par with an ageing McCaw. Both Hoopah and Pocock are distinctly better players than Cane is. Cane just happens to be on the winning team so somehow that makes him better. Anyway I am majorly outnumbered and have an unpopular opinion and you guys aren't even debating me you are just firing pot shots so yeah...I don't think on retrospect it is a wise thing to come on to a web site for NZ fans and tell them a player in the AB team isn't number one in the world in his position.

mariner4life

That old chestnut is not going to cut it. You've made the call, back it up. So far it's an opinion on the future, and fuck all else. 
In what ways are pooper both better than cane? How are their backups all better than savea and todd?

hurricane

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="mariner4life" data-cid="609276" data-time="1472209197">That old chestnut is not going to cut it. You've made the call, back it up. So far it's an opinion on the future, and fuck all else. In what ways are pooper both better than cane? How are their backups all better than savea and todd?</blockquote> You won't like the source as it is green and gold - but the stats analysis is clear - Cane lagged behind the others in most dimensions from a stats point of view (turnovers, penalties conceeded etc) in the Super Rugby Comp this year <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/by-the-numbers-wallaby-openside/'>http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/by-the-numbers-wallaby-openside/</a>

The Silver Fern

Secret Super rugby review: Axe a team from Australia and South Africa