T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies
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Happy to miss all of this game although I did check the score occasionally. It started well.
Many of us said that not selecting Seifert in the squad was a mistake. That's on Stead and Wells.
Mitchell has bowled two overs (both the 19th) so far and conceded 35 runs.
Stead's reason for not playing any warmup games was that the IPL players arrived late, and the Black Caps requested later warm-up games due to the late arrival of players, but were denied by officials. I've no idea if Conway was in India but the likes of him could have done with some games.
Black Craps indeed.
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@Bovidae said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Happy to miss all of this game although I did check the score occasionally. It started well.
Many of us said that not selecting Seifert in the squad was a mistake. That's on Stead and Wells.
Mitchell has bowled two overs (both the 19th) so far and conceded 35 runs.
Stead's reason for not playing any warmup games was that the IPL players arrived late, and the Black Caps requested later warm-up games due to the late arrival of players, but were denied by officials. I've no idea if Conway was in India but the likes of him could have done with some games.
Black Craps indeed.
Stead OUT
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@Sprinko said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Surely with late arrivals from IPL you still schedule pre-tournament fixtures for the remaining players who haven’t just been playing IPL.
Aussie played warmup games without their IPL players and the coaching staff fielded to make up the numbers
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@Bones said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Have I missed a reason why nearly everyone else got to roll the arm over, except for Ravindra?
Pretty sure they read it as being a seamer's pitch - especially after Phillips and Santner bowled relatively expensive early overs.
So Santner - who you'd usually expect to bowl four overs only bowled two - and they tried not to have him have to bowl his second. And Neesh who you'd hope not to use at all bowled four.
And Mitch Jr.
The Windies showed that was a bit of a misread.
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@Duluth said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
@Sprinko said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Surely with late arrivals from IPL you still schedule pre-tournament fixtures for the remaining players who haven’t just been playing IPL.
Aussie played warmup games without their IPL players and the coaching staff fielded to make up the numbers
India played a warm-up game.
The Jaapies had a three match tour of the Windies in May.
England played a series vs Pakistan in England at the end of May.
We were the dipshits who decided we didn't need proper preparation and reaped the rewards. I thought we were supposed to have taken "learnings" from getting our arses handed to us at the WACA when we didn't bother to play warm up games prior to that big tour.
Just saw Hesson making this point on a chat show - and also throwing in that "everyone knows that practice wickets in the Windies are substandard, so it's no use planning to do your work over there".
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Just in case anyone apart from Stead was hoping for a 0.00000000001 chance of us mathematically going through, AFG beat PNG easily as expected
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So any batsman apart from my boy Glenn Phillips remotely enhance their reputations ?
Really disappointing that proven performers like KW, Conway and Mitch couldn’t scrape 50 BETWEEN THEM in two games. You’d expect one of them to score big at least once.
Other hit or miss top order batsmen definitely missed.
Some of the bowlers played ok and kept the totals well within reach if the batsmen did their jobs.
Geez these next two games will be a colossal waste of time but might paper over some cracks I suppose.
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Is it fair to say, we're the equivalent of Australia in rugby and we've just gone to a World Cup and been knocked out by Wales and Fiji?
What happens next, Eddie?
Actually, I doubt that it's Stead's job to line up warm up games, so he's probably been dudded more than anyone.
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@Chris-B said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Actually, I doubt that it's Stead's job to line up warm up games, so he's probably been dudded more than anyone.
Surely Stead would have heavy influence of whether or not warm up games would be played.
He doesn't just rock up and get an itinerary and go 'yeah sweet'.
If he wanted warm up games we would have warm up games.
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@KiwiMurph said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Actually, I doubt that it's Stead's job to line up warm up games, so he's probably been dudded more than anyone.
Surely Stead would have heavy influence of whether or not warm up games would be played.
He doesn't just rock up and get an itinerary and go 'yeah sweet'.
If he wanted warm up games we would have warm up games.
Sounds like he asked for late warm up games to be played after the IPL players arrived and the organisers refused.
About the performance in general, I'd say time to take it as a wake-up call and send through the broom. We've had quite a bit of turnover anyway and it's not a guarantee the other cattle available is automatically going to succeed better, but this performance was bad enough that we couldn't really do worse. Also probably time for Stead to move on.
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@Chris-B said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
> Is it fair to say, we're the equivalent of Australia in rugby and we've just gone to a World Cup and been knocked out by Wales and Fiji?What happens next, Eddie?
Actually, I doubt that it's Stead's job to line up warm up games, so he's probably been dudded more than anyone.
No.
The equivalent of a sevens team ie not too many people really care that much. They’ll get on the bandwagon sure, but no one is exactly devastated at the result
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@KiwiMurph said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
@Chris-B said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
Actually, I doubt that it's Stead's job to line up warm up games, so he's probably been dudded more than anyone.
Surely Stead would have heavy influence of whether or not warm up games would be played.
He doesn't just rock up and get an itinerary and go 'yeah sweet'.
If he wanted warm up games we would have warm up games.
I'd find it pretty hard to believe that any coach wouldn't want warm-up games - I'm inclined to think it's the guys who hold the purse strings who decided we wouldn't have them.
To continue the rugby analogy, if I were Razor I'd be desperately keen to have a warm-up game prior to England, but I doubt he's had much say in the scheduling. I'm guessing he's rocked up and got the itinerary and gone 'fuck me - England!'.
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@Chris-B said in T20 WC - Black Caps v West Indies:
To continue the rugby analogy, if I were Razor I'd be desperately keen to have a warm-up game prior to England, but I doubt he's had much say in the scheduling. I'm guessing he's rocked up and got the itinerary and gone 'fuck me - England!'.
I'm not sure the analogy fits. Previous AB regimes have had games of 3 halves with Provincial teams as warm ups.
