Quay Park stadium for Auckland?
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@Kiwiwomble I've gone on record to say no stadium in NZ needs a roof. Dunedin would have the only reasonable case for it
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@mariner4life said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@mariner4life said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@Nepia said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@Tim said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
RE: Onewa Domain, there used to be an auckland super fan who had a blue and white car, wore blue and white face paint, Auckland NPC uniform, and would just drive past the ground booing when there was a North Harbour home game. He was the same guy who ran onto the field at the end of the 96 inaugural Super Rugby final, evaded security and joined the team circle-hug.
I remember that guy. Absolute character. Those old characters were hilarious - like that guy with a chainsaw up the crane at waikato stadium back in the day who would crank it throughout the game and especially when Auckland kickers were lining up for goal.
Possum is actually annoying as fuck if you have to sit within his earshot - not the chainsaw, that's fine, but when he's in the crowd shouting.
i remember the guy from Northland they used to get on Sports Cafe all the time
Hmm, I don't remember him, I would probably have hated him because of where he was from, but I was too busy hating on That Guy to notice.
That Guy was on Sports Cafe? i don't remember anyone except Rick, Mark Ellis, Anal, and Zinny's giant fucking head
Yeah, he was definitely on Sports Cafe.
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@antipodean said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
If you want to feel like you're in another postcode from the action on the field, buy a seat in the sorry excuse for a stadium in Olympic Park, Sydney. Now that's a shit stadium.
Yep, I turn down free tickets to that place these days. Agree with what you say on the Tin, as it's small enough that you're never far from the action, even on the, gasp, round bits at the end.
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@Winger said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
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@hydro11 said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
It's funny hearing people complain about the Cake Tin. At least we bloody built it! Let's be honest, no-one is going to pay for any of these Auckland options. We got ours done, on time and with a decent budget and have been enjoying it for 24 years. Yes, you could make it better but then you might have never done it all.
What do we actually want from an Auckland stadium? Huge capacity? Roof? Location? Looking cool? It will be necessary to make choices because we can't get everything we want.
Hear hear. People can moan about the Caketin all they like. But pretty pictures of a new stadium in downtown are a long way from sitting in said venue anytime soon. Anyone remember the Auckland Superdome? Auckland and Christchurch would bite someone's hand off to have a venue like the Caketin in their city. They should be so lucky
I enjoyed watching rugby more at Athletic Park. It was just a pain getting to it and out. And of course, the wind factor.
Wellington had an opportunity to build something great. That was a football / rugby stadium with a roof. And this was pushed strongly by people at the time. An alternative that Wilson Whineray? looked at was at Porirua. This wasn't Oval. But cost cutting and stupidity won the day.
The quote for a top stadium with a roof was NZ$50 million more. It was very hard to get 125million over the line
I hope Auckland don't make the same mistake.
The Porirua option was moronic. Getting to Porirua Park for instance is a nightmare and the new stadium out there would have been just as bad.
A roof is not necessary at the Cake Tin. I do think the stands could cover more of the seats. It is hard to get dry seats, especially with the wind.
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@No-Quarter said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Th obvious problem with oval stadiums for rugby (and soccer) is the very best seats on halfway are too far from the action, so that means there are no great seats, just OKish seats all the way around.
Wellington was really silly to build an oval when they already had the Basin for cricket, they could have easily replaced the embankment (which is a shit place to watch sport as you spend half the time trying not to slide down the bank) with another stand at some point to increase capacity there (if needed). A purpose built rectangle stadium for rugby, soccer and hosting concerts would have been perfect.
I grew up in Wellington and have also lived in Auckland for a decade so have been to Athletic Park, the Cake Tin and Eden Park a lot. By far the best experiences I've had for rugby are at Athletic Park and Eden Park purely because the view was so much better so I could follow the action much more easily. The view at the Cake Tin is pretty average no matter where you are.
The challenge for Auckland is they don't have a decent cricket ground, but at the same time it'd be a real mistake to replace Eden Park with an oval. I think they are best to upgrade Eden Park and then think about where they can put a more modest cricket ground.
This is mostly hindsight. Of course, with what we know now we would not build the Cake Tin as an oval. However, in its early years it was getting massive crowds for cricket.
You are severely limited by how large you can make the basin. You could probably build a bigger stand on the Museum/RA Vance side, but it would be much more difficult on the grass side. Not to mention extra stands could ruin the character.
The reality is that there is no appetite for spending tens of millions of dollars on a cricket stadium. If the Cake Tin was a rectangle, Wellington would simply not host major ODIs and T20Is. If Eden Park also could not hold big games, New Zealand would not have been able to host as many games as it did in the 2015 World Cup.
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The refurbished Lancaster Park was awful too. I reckon we would have been hating it by now.
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@mariner4life You don't remember that guy?
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I suspect "That Guy" debuted (as a NZ representative snail racer) possibly after @mariner4life left NZ.
Wikipedia says he joined Sports Cafe in 2001.
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@Bovidae said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
He was on SportsCafe as far back as 1996. The Human Cannonball was better.
Nah, he wasn't.
First ever appearance was here - https://www.moonflix.co.nz/videos/sports-cafe-that-guy-races-snails - and just looking at the crew and set, it's definitely not 1996. No Zinny or JK for starters. Plus Ellis is wearing a National Nude Day tshirt which puts it in the 2000s at the very least.
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I'm not saying he was That Guy in 1996 but according to this that was his original appearance:
One evening in 1996, Marc Ellis turned up at his flat carrying a container of snails, desperately seeking a replacement guest for live panel show SportsCafe. Hart's flatmate wasn't interested. Hart stepped up to play an international snail trainer, in a mock interview. With SportsCafe's Cannonball character leaving the show, Hart was offered a weekly slot doing sports stories under the nickname That Guy.
Leigh Hart | NZ On Screen
Leigh Hart - Since debuting on TV's SportsCafe in 1996 as an Olympic snail trainer, Leigh Hart has donned moustaches, speedos and a variety of serious journalistic expressions. Post SportsCafe, Hart made and presented multiple seasons of Moon TV — two of them nominated for NZ Screen awards — plus...
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Again, look at the video link. I would contend that info is wrong for the reasons i posted above as well as:
- Ellis had long hair in 1996. This hairstyle is more in keeping with his 2000-2001 look.
- Eva, who appears later in that clip only made it to Sports Cafe from 1997 onwards, ruling out 1996.
Going against me is that Toni Hodgkinson is on the couch, and she only really high profile up until 2000 Olympic, albeit she still competed after that...
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I thought 2000 myself, as he was in an episode finding Ric Salizzo at the Sydney Olympics.
Funny how a stadium chat has now turned into when Leigh Hart's alter ego started on sports cafe haha.
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@nzzp said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Yet again, who's funding it, and where is the land coming from? so many 'concepts' thrown around - I don't even bother reading these any more. Which is going ahead - the Eden Park full roof + extra shit, or this one, or the Wynyard stadium, or the Ports located stadium?
Stadia are cool, but the business cases almost never stack up.
Unlike Eden Park (100% ratepayer funded), there's a consortium of private investors with Quay Park. The railway land is owned by Ngati Whatua (who are part of the consortium). There will likely be some ratepayer contribution to Quay Park but nowhere near as much as the 100% ratepayer funded Eden Park.
Quay Park and Eden Park 2.0 were advanced to feasibility study stage last week. The other two waterfront proposals were canned.
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@hydro11 said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
@No-Quarter said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Th obvious problem with oval stadiums for rugby (and soccer) is the very best seats on halfway are too far from the action, so that means there are no great seats, just OKish seats all the way around.
Wellington was really silly to build an oval when they already had the Basin for cricket, they could have easily replaced the embankment (which is a shit place to watch sport as you spend half the time trying not to slide down the bank) with another stand at some point to increase capacity there (if needed). A purpose built rectangle stadium for rugby, soccer and hosting concerts would have been perfect.
I grew up in Wellington and have also lived in Auckland for a decade so have been to Athletic Park, the Cake Tin and Eden Park a lot. By far the best experiences I've had for rugby are at Athletic Park and Eden Park purely because the view was so much better so I could follow the action much more easily. The view at the Cake Tin is pretty average no matter where you are.
The challenge for Auckland is they don't have a decent cricket ground, but at the same time it'd be a real mistake to replace Eden Park with an oval. I think they are best to upgrade Eden Park and then think about where they can put a more modest cricket ground.
This is mostly hindsight. Of course, with what we know now we would not build the Cake Tin as an oval. However, in its early years it was getting massive crowds for cricket.
You are severely limited by how large you can make the basin. You could probably build a bigger stand on the Museum/RA Vance side, but it would be much more difficult on the grass side. Not to mention extra stands could ruin the character.
The reality is that there is no appetite for spending tens of millions of dollars on a cricket stadium. If the Cake Tin was a rectangle, Wellington would simply not host major ODIs and T20Is. If Eden Park also could not hold big games, New Zealand would not have been able to host as many games as it did in the 2015 World Cup.
nah Hagley Park still gets big international matches (including world cup matches in 2015) despite its small size. They just added temporary stands to the grass banks - easy! Basin Reserve is a true cricket ground and should've been upgraded (to the extent it could be upgraded) for cricket. The Caketin should've been a modern version of Athletic Park. I had never been to Athletic Park but everyone bar none raved about how it was the best rugby ground in NZ - especially the millard stand placing you practically on top of the play (if you survived the winds!)
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@Auckman said in Quay Park stadium for Auckland?:
Hagley Park still gets big international matches (including world cup matches in 2015) despite its small size.
in fairness, a bit hit in cricket in 1995 (cake tin design) was much smaller than now. Bringing in boundary rope, modern bats (and pitches) and the strength training/practice modern cricketers have make a huge difference.
I'm still cross about someone top edging a spinner at Seddon Park over third man for 6 (from memory, an SA tour of 5-10 years ago). That should not happen - mishits clearing fielders behind square off spinners.
I will turn this into a grumpy old man thread
