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  • gt12G Offline
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    Hold on, here is a interesting one too. What the below could mean is that the GAP could revise the skills and competencies framework for the board so that more (or less) of them need certain experiences (i.e., we could go to needing 6/9 with PU experience or 1/9). This body will be incredibly powerful so think about how it could be captured if the PUs can get one more person to join them.

    The 3/7 PU GAP will also:

    a. review annually the updates to the Skills and Competencies Framework and the Needs and Priorities Statement (the SCF documents) proposed by the NZRB. NZRB will present the SCF documents to the GAP for discussion. The GAP will review the SCF documents, and make additional or alternative suggestions if necessary. Any updates required to be made to the SCF documents, proposed by the GAP, requires agreement by way of a majority of the GAP. For clarity, the GAP will have the final approval and sign off of the SCF documents, being the Skills and Competences Framework and the Needs and Priorities statement.

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    Pilkington's use of the term "independent" hasn't helped this whole debate, and he admitted that himself.

    I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

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    @Bovidae said in NZR review:

    I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

    Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

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    It seems that the Heartland PUs were behind Proposal 2 as well.

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    @Duluth said in NZR review:

    @Bovidae said in NZR review:

    I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

    Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

    which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

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    @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

    @Duluth said in NZR review:

    @Bovidae said in NZR review:

    I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

    Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

    which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

    Prop 1 was Pilkington

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    @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

    which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

    Now there's a loaded question 🙂

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    @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

    @Kiwiwomble said in NZR review:

    which one was which again? was Prop 1 the good guys?

    Now there's a loaded question 🙂

    no idea what you mean 🤨

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    @Duluth said in NZR review:

    @Bovidae said in NZR review:

    I hope the voting details are released/leaked.

    Some of it has - Taranaki, Waikato, Otago and Manawatu for proposal 1. Auckland voted for both

    It will be interesting to see if there is a bit of a divide between the provinces that supported different proposals.

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    As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

    Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
    “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

    “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

    “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

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    Sounds like Rob Nicol has backed down on original comments

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    @SouthernMann said in NZR review:

    It will be interesting to see if there is a bit of a divide between the provinces that supported different proposals.

    Or more importantly, within SR franchises. That appears to be the case at the Chiefs (Waikato/Taranaki vs BOP). I've no idea how CM voted.

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    @Bovidae proposal 2

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    @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

    As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

    Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
    “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

    “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

    “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

    👍

    The shareholders have made their (decisive) decision. Anyone not in alignment with this decision should step aside. Not try and continue fighting

    Starting with the NZR Board. A good starting point anyway would be to appoint a new Board using this new proposal. Hopefully it can attract the required talent.

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    Well done to NZR for holding this on budget day too.

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    @SouthernMann said in NZR review:

    Well done to NZR for holding this on budget day too.

    And on no Rebels in Super Rugby day. And all the rest of the news headlines too...

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  • gt12G Offline
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    @george33 said in NZR review:

    Sounds like Rob Nicol has backed down on original comments

    Where is that?

    I see 'expressed disappointment'?

    I wouldn't expect them to throw the toys today, I would expect they'll now make a decision to live with it or try to do something else?

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    @Winger said in NZR review:

    @Donsteppa said in NZR review:

    As reported the the NZHerald live feed. Nice to see some constructive talk from a leading player that's not essentially Rob Nichol taking the NZRPA ball and going home.

    Blues captain Patrick Tuipulotu responds to Proposal 2 being voted in
    “I’m a bit disappointed,” he said.

    “But it’s for the future of rugby, whatever we decide, we have to do it together.

    “From here on out, the conversation has to be open. Although Proposal 1 didn’t go through, we have to work together to try and get to where we want to.”

    👍

    The shareholders have made their (decisive) decision. Anyone not in alignment with this decision should step aside. Not try and continue fighting

    Starting with the NZR Board. A good starting point anyway would be to appoint a new Board using this new proposal. Hopefully it can attract the required talent.

    You understand that is exactly what the professional players have threatened?

    I'm fascinated to see whether they go through with it or not.

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  • BovidaeB Offline
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    @george33 said in NZR review:

    proposal 2

    So split 50/50.

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  • DuluthD Offline
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    Stuff
    Nicholl says NZRPA will now begin working with its stakeholders to establish that independent panel.
    
    "We aren't going running out of this country or anything like that," he clarified. "We're more committed to rugby and professional rugby in this country than anyone, including the community game and grass roots. 
    
    "What we're talking about is a tribunal that comes together in order to ensure really good decisions on behalf of the professional game, to make sure it's effective and efficient as possible, and delivers what the game wants in this country.
    
    "We want to put something together where we come together to make sure we make really good decisions for pro rugby. What we won't do is trust New Zealand Rugby under this government structure to go off and make those decisions by themselves.
    
    The model isn't unprecedented, with French rugby currently operating with a governing body that runs the game alongside the national union.
    
    "It's coming from a perspective of what we feel the professional game is going to need in terms of connecting those stakeholders and getting them together, making good decisions and getting them on the same page getting good alignment.  
    
    "So we'd be surprised if people don't want to go down the path."
    
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