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Rembrandt

I gotta jump on the Metallica 5. From top of my head: House that Jack built, For whom the bell tolls, One, Mama Said, So what. And could easily name another 20 or so. They were my first ever gig at 16 in Wellington, blew my socks off, greatest gig ever...And then 16 years later I saw them again at Download festival in the UK playing the whole black album start to finish plus multi encores of everyones favourites, seriously just as good as when I first saw them. Would see them again in a heartbeat even though I haven't listened to anything post reload.

jegga

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Metallica face what they do because of they have done so much cross over. At some point in time, all of their fans, have been of the view that something about them sucked hard.
 
Still, they sell out stadium tour after stadium tour, so I really doubt they give a shit.
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In the book Enter Night theres a bit about Lars hanging out with the two twats from Oasis because he thought that where music was heading and they might like a piece of it. 
 
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jegga

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No but I am definitely keen to despite JP encapsulating too much musical Do a Willis for me, I'm member of a guitar/bass group on FB and they post vids etc and in one there was a festival in which a band had FOUR fucken bass players each taking turns to solo......yawn. Fuck me sideways it was 6-7 minutes but felt like an eternity, there's a fine line between good and bad and in terms of guitarists I love Richie Blackmore but can't stand all the neo classical shredheads he inspired. 
 
Again, I love bass as an instrument, play well if I do say so myself and always dig a great groove so will have a watch of the doco, thanks for the reminder.
 
Newstead certainly didn't play a lot of notes but the rhythm in which he played them was pretty awesome. There's any number of pretty ordinary four stringers who get lucky by being in a massive band. Bill Wyman, Adam Clayton, any of ACDCs Bassists and many others, shit even good old Roger Glover was pretty ordinary compared to the rest of Deep Purple but sometimes that minimalist approach suits the band so much better.
 
Trujillo definitely get's the spot in my all time World band spot ahead of Flea, Louis Johnson, Geezer Butler, Steve Harris, John Entwistle, Les Claypool, Larry Graham, Stuart Zender ( Jamiroquai ) Bill Gould ( Faith no More ).......he is head and shoulders above them all and I love his attitude and presence.
 
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You get that with drummers too, I wouldn't say those guys are ordinary they just aren't flashy. John Paul Jones and Roger Waters basslines are pretty simple but I doubt anyone would call them an ordinary musicians. 
 
I can't stand Flea or the rest of his band . I've been listening to a bit of Iron Maiden lately and Steve Harris really is a superb bass player, need to check out his solo album.

phoenetia

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MajorRage" data-cid="608364" data-time="1471931437">I would certainly rate Load higher than re-load, although I struggle for some strange reason to really think of them as Metallica albumns. Both are certainly better than St. Anger. Challenge accepted! Hit the lights .. Bell Tolls ... Creeping Death ... Battery ... Sanitarium .. Unforgven .. Outlaw Torn (bet I'm the only person on the planet who thinks this) .. Low Mans Lyric ... Suicide & Redemption all jump to mind. I also like a massive fan of Tuesdays gone on Garage Inc, but that doesn't really count. So trimming 4 from that list ... Hit the lights ... Battery ... Outlaw Torn .. Bell Tolls .. Unforgiven. There you go - 5 diff albums.</blockquote> My Five: Jump in the Fy-ya! - Fight Fy-ya with Fy-ya - Leper Messi-ya - Dyers Eve - Through the Never Incidentally, they are all my faves to play along with.

Nepia

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Metallica have just about reached Nickleback status when it comes to online hate and I'm not entirely sure why. In "One" "Enter Sandman" "Wherever I may roam" "Master of Puppets" "Battery" and a few I can't remember they have done shit as good as ANYTHING you will ever hear in hard rock, how come the Stones ( who are another generation apart ) prance around without such ridicule ? Is Lars Ulrich enough of a dick to create this hate ? Was their version of "One" with that weird guy on piano really that bad ? ( well yes Lars is a dick and it was bad ) Is James Hetfields nice guy persona too at odds with his onstage anger ?
 
As good as the above songs I mentioned are they've also done some turgid, utter shit. "Nothing Else Matters" "Whisky in the jar" "Memory Remains" ( fuck off Marianne Faithful, the blame for that is mainly on you, on what planet does that horrific warbling at the end actually sound good ? ) and a few others.
 
They also have my favourite bassist in Robert Trujillo in the ranks and another departed legend in Cliff Burton before him but perhaps the slow ( er ) and steady Jason Newstead was the best man for the job, kind of a Rueben Thorne to their Jerome Kaino/Jerry Collins ? No coincidence that their best work was done with him hammering the four strings even if he was hardly a virtuoso compared to them.
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I don't care who the fuck you are if you have a choice between Thorne and Kaino you take Kaino. Kaino can play like Thorne if you ask him to (although why would you want to?)
 
Who would have thought the music thread would make me so angry.
 
Bogans! ;)

MN5

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You get that with drummers too, I wouldn't say those guys are ordinary they just aren't flashy. John Paul Jones and Roger Waters basslines are pretty simple but I doubt anyone would call them an ordinary musicians. 
 
I can't stand Flea or the rest of his band . I've been listening to a bit of Iron Maiden lately and Steve Harris really is a superb bass player, need to check out his solo album.
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I've said on here numerous times the Chillis were awesome til they got off the drugs, the moment 2000 hit they turned to shit overall ( not unlike Metalica ) what are your thoughts on Bill Gould ? ( Faith no More ) like the rest of FNM his versatility is outstanding.
 
Agree that Roger Waters basslines are simple ( I much prefer Gilmour ) but JPJ did some pretty far out stuff at times. Totally agree on Steve Harris, he is an excellent bassist, the whole of Iron Maiden are top notch musos now I think about it. Harris's high end runs and licks are pretty unique and he drives everything behind the scenes.
 
I
 
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Oasis.....
 
Always have, always will.
 
 
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I don't care who the fuck you are if you have a choice between Thorne and Kaino you take Kaino. Kaino can play like Thorne if you ask him to (although why would you want to?)
 
Who would have thought the music thread would make me so angry.
 
Bogans! ;)
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Well yeah but Thorne/Newstead at the time may have seemed like the glue to hold the team/band together.....
 
then Kaino/Trujillo came along and provided some real dynamism.......
 
I reckon my analogy is awesome !

jegga

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I've said on here numerous times the Chillis were awesome til they got off the drugs, the moment 2000 hit they turned to shit overall ( not unlike Metalica ) what are your thoughts on Bill Gould ? ( Faith no More ) like the rest of FNM his versatility is outstanding.
 
Agree that Roger Waters basslines are simple ( I much prefer Gilmour ) but JPJ did some pretty far out stuff at times. Totally agree on Steve Harris, he is an excellent bassist, the whole of Iron Maiden are top notch musos now I think about it. Harris's high end runs and licks are pretty unique and he drives everything behind the scenes.
 
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Oasis.....
 
Always have, always will.
 
 
 
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Billy Gould is a superb bass player, was he the first to do slap and pop bass in hard rock or metal or whatever fmn are? Interesting they can't stand each other mostly and live in and record in different parts of the US . 
I think Harris does the bulk of the songwriting too, I have them on the stereo in my ute at the moment . 
 
I feel the same way about the Chillis as you about Oasis, I also feel that way about Oasis .

mariner4life

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In the book Enter Night theres a bit about Lars hanging out with the two twats from Oasis because he thought that where music was heading and they might like a piece of it. <img src="http://www.h2g2.com/h2g2/skins/Alabaster/images/Smilies/f_facepalm.gif" alt="f_facepalm.gif"></blockquote>
 
Fuck i hate Lars. Have done ever since my hundrrd-odd views of both chapters of "a year and a half in the life of" 
The guy has an overwhelming need to be accepted and liked. Ironically it makes him a complete fluffybunny.

MN5

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Billy Gould is a superb bass player, was he the first to do slap and pop bass in hard rock or metal or whatever fmn are? Interesting they can't stand each other mostly and live in and record in different parts of the US . 
I think Harris does the bulk of the songwriting too, I have them on the stereo in my ute at the moment . 
 
I feel the same way about the Chillis as you about Oasis, I also feel that way about Oasis . 
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Either him or Flea would have but as I said I rate Trujillo better than either of them.
 
I thought FNM still lived in the Bay area of California. Interestingly I follow Chuck Mosely ( their first singer ) on FB and he had to start a give a little page after falling on hard times. He was cool and did some really good songs he just had the misfortune to get fired for being drunk and then being replaced by the guy with the best rock voice of that generation ( with all due respect to Jeff Buckley and Chris Cornell )

jegga

I read that about them all living apart a while ago, Mosely was a short order cook or something at one stage wasn't he? Mosely had shitty luck but this guys was worse I reckon <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/magazine/evermans-war.html?_r=0'>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/magazine/evermans-war.html?_r=0</a>

Nepia

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I read that about them all living apart a while ago, Mosely was a short order cook or something at one stage wasn't he? Mosely had shitty luck but this guys was worse I reckon <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/magazine/evermans-war.html?_r=0'>http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/magazine/evermans-war.html?_r=0</a>
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Cheers for posting that - although I don't think his luck was bad, turns out he wound up doing what he really wanted to do.
 
MN5: You've basically said the All Blacks did their best work with Thorne at blindside if you're sticking by your analogy. :shock:

MajorRage

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Either him or Flea would have but as I said I rate Trujillo better than either of them.
 
I thought FNM still lived in the Bay area of California. Interestingly I follow Chuck Mosely ( their first singer ) on FB and he had to start a give a little page after falling on hard times. He was cool and did some really good songs he just had the misfortune to get fired for being drunk and then being replaced by the guy with the best rock voice of that generation ( with all due respect to Jeff Buckley and Chris Cornell )
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Misfortune? The story of Mosley is a classic story of making your own luck.
 
He's been lucky in later life that the existing members of FNM have held no hard feelings. He lost his shit just as the band was starting to break out and thus missed out on the best years. Gould & Bottum are the driving force of that band and always have been. Gould is one of, if not, the most innovative and respected bass players to exist. Find any decent bass player in a band and they will all say influenced by Gould, without exception. Bottum is the glue that runs the whole show.

Tim

SammyC

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Ian Dury and the Blockheads - Fucking Ada
 
This would have been fucking awesome to listen to live with the crowd joining in
 
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Fucken hell SammyC, another thing we have in common from our youths....I also sang along to Ian Dury when my old man played it on car trips. To this day I could probably sing the entire "Lord Upminster" album if someone played if even though I haven't heard it since the late 80s ! 
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Continuing the discussion on Bass players ........Soho radio 2 hour special on the career Norman Watt-Roy (bassist for the blockheads). 
 
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MN5

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Misfortune? The story of Mosley is a classic story of making your own luck.
 
He's been lucky in later life that the existing members of FNM have held no hard feelings. He lost his shit just as the band was starting to break out and thus missed out on the best years. Gould & Bottum are the driving force of that band and always have been. Gould is one of, if not, the most innovative and respected bass players to exist. Find any decent bass player in a band and they will all say influenced by Gould, without exception. Bottum is the glue that runs the whole show.
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Yeah I agree with that, I didn't word it particularly well. Like I said, he was very good but Patton is next level. Perhaps Gould is overlooked a bit because he is a bit less flashy and lower profile than Flea ( who although has a personality that would grate is still a fantastic player ) I rate Gould but is he THAT good ?
 
Neps, I was talking in principle....not results :knuppel:

jegga

Les Claypool tried out for Metallica after Burton died , he would have been a weird fit.

MN5

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Les Claypool tried out for Metallica after Burton died , he would have been a weird fit.
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Yep that's a well known story. Metallica tactfully said he was "too good" for them and it's true, he's another fucken awesome player and I do enjoy some of Primus's stuff but to be honest they probably thought he was too quirky and weird. ( Yet they still got Trujillo who did some odd stuff with Infectious Grooves and Suicidal tendancies )
 
Hammett and Hetfields respective guitar leads in "One" showcase how good those two were in their prime, fucken awesome, yet distinct, playing and Lars, dickhead that he is, could do that machine gun metal drumming as good as anyone. I've read that Lars has regressed as he has gotten older and years on the road playing the same stuff has meant he has little time to actually practice and maintain his skills.

Tim

MajorRage

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Yeah I agree with that, I didn't word it particularly well. Like I said, he was very good but Patton is next level. Perhaps Gould is overlooked a bit because he is a bit less flashy and lower profile than Flea ( who although has a personality that would grate is still a fantastic player ) I rate Gould but is he THAT good ?
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I'm not bass player, but every single bassist, without exception, name him as an influence. I suspect he was more innovative & talented though, than being actually viewed as an incredible amazing bass player.
 
 
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Hammett and Hetfields respective guitar leads in "One" showcase how good those two were in their prime, fucken awesome, yet distinct, playing and Lars, dickhead that he is, could do that machine gun metal drumming as good as anyone. I've read that Lars has regressed as he has gotten older and years on the road playing the same stuff has meant he has little time to actually practice and maintain his skills.
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Yeah, Lars Ulrich drumming probably creates more disagreement amongst musicians than anything else. He says himself everything that you've written above. I think the more time has gone on, the more he's just settled into being the Metallica drummer, and playing whats required to work with Hetfield. As lets face it, even though Hetfield and Ulrich sort of "own the band", it's in a Angus and Malcom Young sort of way.

MN5

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I'm not bass player, but every single bassist, without exception, name him as an influence. I suspect he was more innovative & talented though, than being actually viewed as an incredible amazing bass player.
 
 
 
Yeah, Lars Ulrich drumming probably creates more disagreement amongst musicians than anything else. He says himself everything that you've written above. I think the more time has gone on, the more he's just settled into being the Metallica drummer, and playing whats required to work with Hetfield. As lets face it, even though Hetfield and Ulrich sort of "own the band", it's in a Angus and Malcom Young sort of way.
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Apparently Charlie Watts is an incredible Jazz drummer but "sold his soul" to be in one of the biggest bands of all time and pound out some pretty basic stuff for over 50 years. Ginger Baker has said he hates the Stones but Watts sends him tickets to their shows whenever they're in town knowing full well they'll end up in the bin....but even Baker admits Watts is the best muso in the group by far which is excellent praise from a legend who doesn't have a nice word to say about anyone. ( do catch "Beware of Mr Baker" if you get a chance, aamazing doco )

The Silver Fern

What are you listening to, right now................